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--- Comment #6 from Jaime Rave <jaimerave(a)gmail.com> 2007-10-07 19:48:13 ---
This problem is also affecting MSN Messenger, you can't hide the border, when
you press the button to hide the border, only the menus disappear but the
tittle stays there.
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--- Comment #56 from rankincj(a)yahoo.com 2007-10-07 19:44:34 ---
(In reply to comment #52)
> This has been turned into an issue of upgrading
> between releases, when the original request to remove the wineprefix had
> nothing to do with differences between releases or problems handling such an
> upgrade.
For the record, it looks as Wine is crashing for me because someone defined
some new registry entries, and the code assumes that those entries are always
going to be there. Given time, I can probably find the exact new keys in
question. However, this now leaves me with a problem: how to update my registry
while keeping all my settings and game state, because updating Wine by using
"yum update" certainly doesn't touch the .reg files in the .wine directory. (It
looks as if the app installed an entry in system.reg that told it where the CD
was mounted, and then refused to run if this entry was not present. Adding this
entry to a "fresh" wineprefix avoided the crash.)
So when you say "The bug is fixed/closed", you *really* mean that it is closed
only for that small percentage of users who will install the app from scratch,
and that everyone else can go hang.
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--- Comment #55 from rankincj(a)yahoo.com 2007-10-07 19:27:31 ---
(In reply to comment #50)
> Anonymous coward with an e-mail rankincj(a)yahoo.com,
If you had the slightest iota of initiative you could enter my email address
into Google and find out my full name in mere seconds. (And then hopefully kick
yourself for not guessing it from my email address in the first place!) But
that would be "work", wouldn't it, and rudeness is *so* much easier...
> you forgot what I told you: use separate WINEPREFIX.
Oh, I remember all right. What you fail to appreciate is that it wouldn't help.
My original app is already installed in one WINEPREFIX that contains all my
game state and settings. To install the app into a second WINEPREFIX would
create me a brand new and up-to-date registry, but would lose me those settings
and game state. Hence installing into a new WINEPREFIX is not an option.
And in the meantime, there is *still* a code-path in Wine 0.9.46 that
dereferences a NULL pointer!
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--- Comment #54 from James Hawkins <truiken(a)gmail.com> 2007-10-07 17:24:15 ---
(In reply to comment #53)
> Actually I am the one who originally reported the bug with TOPO and I did
> comment on the fact that the fix by Dan Kegel eliminated the problem. As a
> matter of fact I have been using TOPO successfully since Dan introduced the
> fix. Also with wine version 0.9.43 I did not need to make the changes Dan
> explained.
>
And we appreciate your help Nick. This bug is fixed partly because of your
help. My comments were for Whit and rankincj(a)yahoo.com.
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--- Comment #53 from Nick <goodfella005(a)gmail.com> 2007-10-07 17:19:28 ---
Actually I am the one who originally reported the bug with TOPO and I did
comment on the fact that the fix by Dan Kegel eliminated the problem. As a
matter of fact I have been using TOPO successfully since Dan introduced the
fix. Also with wine version 0.9.43 I did not need to make the changes Dan
explained.
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--- Comment #52 from James Hawkins <truiken(a)gmail.com> 2007-10-07 17:09:12 ---
(In reply to comment #51)
> The point in getting to 1.0 is to put all the stuff that 1.0 needs to have in
> place _before_ 1.0 is released. That includes:
>
> (1) Having staff (even volunteers) trained to respect the users. Users who take
> the time and effort to submit meaningful bug reports are among your best
> assets. Those who have shown up prior to 1.0, if you can build a good
> relationship with them, especially so.
>
> (2) Having the mechanisms in place to allow smooth version upgrades. Taking the
> stance that these will be the absolutely last thing added to move to 1.0
> assures that they most likely will not be of release quality precisely when you
> move to 1.0.
>
I'm sorry I have to say it, but by definition, you and rankincj(a)yahoo.com are
ignorant on this topic. This has been turned into an issue of upgrading
between releases, when the original request to remove the wineprefix had
nothing to do with differences between releases or problems handling such an
upgrade. The real issue is that there are finitely many variables that affect
a bug, and the more variables we can eliminate as a cause of the bug, the
easier it is to find the actual bug. 95% of the time, a bug has nothing to do
with having a dirty .wine, but there is that 5% where this is a problem, and we
ask users to remove their wineprefix to remove this variable so the debugging
process is easier. At this point in the development process, there are very
few changes to the code base that require a new wine prefix. After 1.0, there
should be next to none.
> Maybe being in competition with Windows makes you feel you can skimp on user
> relations and quality control, but exactly the opposite is true. An OS project
> is exactly as valuable as the community it attracts.
You're very ungrateful of all the time and energy we spend on managing our
bugzilla and fixing bugs. We do the best that we can with the manpower we
have. If you want professional support, buy a professional product.
>Trusting someone like V.
> to be gatekeeper here is costing you dearly.
Actually, you might not like his manner, but Vitaliy does a lot for the
project, and we'd be at a loss without him.
>It's time to look at _why_ it's
> taking you so long to get to 1.0.
>
It's taking so long because we don't have the manpower to work any faster.
We've gotten a tremendous amount accomplished with the few developers we do
have.
Whatever bug there is with TOPO might actually have positive attention paid to
it if the reporter actually did what the developers asked him/her to do instead
of complaining.
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--- Comment #14 from Anastasius Focht <focht(a)gmx.net> 2007-10-07 16:53:06 ---
Created an attachment (id=8454)
--> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=8454)
Implements WebBrowser::TheaterMode to let WinMX successfully start
Hello,
you need WebBrowser::TheaterMode property too to get WinMX to work.
Attached patch implements this.
Tested with wine 0.9.46+ and WinMX 3.54 beta 4.
Starts fine.
Regards
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--- Comment #51 from Whit Blauvelt <wine(a)transpect.com> 2007-10-07 16:52:11 ---
The point in getting to 1.0 is to put all the stuff that 1.0 needs to have in
place _before_ 1.0 is released. That includes:
(1) Having staff (even volunteers) trained to respect the users. Users who take
the time and effort to submit meaningful bug reports are among your best
assets. Those who have shown up prior to 1.0, if you can build a good
relationship with them, especially so.
(2) Having the mechanisms in place to allow smooth version upgrades. Taking the
stance that these will be the absolutely last thing added to move to 1.0
assures that they most likely will not be of release quality precisely when you
move to 1.0.
Maybe being in competition with Windows makes you feel you can skimp on user
relations and quality control, but exactly the opposite is true. An OS project
is exactly as valuable as the community it attracts. Trusting someone like V.
to be gatekeeper here is costing you dearly. It's time to look at _why_ it's
taking you so long to get to 1.0.
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--- Comment #50 from Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> 2007-10-07 16:46:56 ---
Anonymous coward with an e-mail rankincj(a)yahoo.com, you forgot what I told you:
use separate WINEPREFIX. If you need to get more information about that, I'm
sure you know how to do 'man wine'.
THIS BUG IS CLOSED.
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--- Comment #49 from rankincj(a)yahoo.com 2007-10-07 16:40:06 ---
(In reply to comment #48)
> I think, until 1.0, it's reasonable to require
> users to start with a fresh .wine directory
> when installing new versions of Wine.
Have you told all the distros this? Seriously! Because expecting everyone to
continually reinstall all their Windows apps doesn't fit any definition of
"reasonable" that *I'm* familiar with! Have you ever *tried* installing World
of Warcraft, with its expansion packs and endless stream of patches? Here's
what the "WoW Wiki" has to say on the subject:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine#Installing_WoW
> After 1.0, we'll have to handle upgrades much more gracefully.
Yeah, because after v1.0 is precisely the right time to implement new must-have
features that might affect how you implement minor things such as "the
registry"...
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