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Wine's compatibility lists (updated)
by Carlos Lozano 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hello, It includes 3 lists, a gold list with applications what are working almost 100% in wine, a silver list with application what could be working in wine with some work in them, and the full list with every test done :) Regards, Carlos. -- ___ _ \ | / Infraestructuras | . |._ _ _| | ___ ___ ___ http://www.andago.com | || ' |/ . |<_> |/ . |/ . \__ GNU/Linux |_|_||_|_|\___|<___|\_. |\___/ _ \ __|\ \ / Carlos A. Lozano <___'/ | \ -_) __/\__ \ > < -_) [ carlos.lozano(a)andago.com ]\___|_| ____/ _/\_\___| [ calb(a)epsxe.com ] http://www.epsxe.com

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wine button click through page
by Mike Hearn 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Here's a prototype of the page that people would see when clicking on the wine button, I think this is more friendly than simply linking directly to the apps db. It has a rather linux centric point of view, I hope this doesn't get anybodys back up. I could add mention of the other platforms Wine works on (freebsd??) if wanted. Anyway, if this is alright would Jeremy Newman mind adding it to the new WineHQ site? Then I can start trying to get buttons/links up on the windows side of the web. ta -mike -- Mike Hearn <m.hearn(a)signal.qinetiq.com> QinetiQ

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Re: Help support
by Ender 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

I'll just add my specific reasoning (plus pro's and con's) for supporting Konq, and some words on how IWebBrowser may be implemented: - BIG Con: The KDE libraries are GPLed. We can ask the team to perhaps allow us to use it under the LGPL. As far as I am aware, the only reason the libraries are under the GPL is because QT is under the GPL. Since one of the major factors in using KHTML/KJS in WINE will be removing the QT dependency, I see no legal problems to it.. only a matter of if they are willing. If not, the workaround is to implement it as an executable and just use IWebBrowser to send messages/RPCs/whatever to the executable. Using this as a general approach actually has many benefits anyway: : The browser can be upgraded easily, without having to worry about version conflicts against other DLLs. This is a major plus, IMHO : It's far easier to merge upstream changes, as less major modifications would need to be made to the browser core : The rendering engine CAN be replaced easily between Mozilla, Konq, or any other browser code suitably modified to support our IPC mechanism. Even so, we do need to decide on a default to use in WINE cvs. Any IPC mechinism would simply require IWebBrowser calls to be passed from a fairly stubby DLL and COM interface to the browser. The only real modifications needed to a browser would be to understand these calls, and to be able to render to a specified GDI context/hwnd/whichever. --- Other ideas: - Pro: Startup speed is fantastic, and while Gecko is fast while loaded, I really don't think we can use the method Mozilla uses to keep it fast (always run a configured Gecko instance in the background). I don't think WINE should have the overhead or code mess that it would cause. - Con: KHTML and KJS do have a dependency on QT or at least QT-Embedded. Getting a quick and nasty implementation of KHTML (+KJS, which we will need for DHTML/Javascript support, almost all applications that use IWebBrowser use JS) running will be easy, replacing the QT dependencies with Windows GDI/Commctl calls is somewhat more work. - Pro: I know that KHTML is easy to expand in the realm of supporting other URL schemes (res:// etc will be needed in IWebBrowser). I'm not sure how Gecko's architecture works in this respect. - Ender > > - Gecko: the best (in terms of features/compatability/speed) rendering > > engine around. Also benefits from being very widely deployed at least > > on Linux. Note that soon Mozilla will be splitting into a GRE (gecko > > runtime environment), then an XRE (xul runtime) layered on top, with > > Mozilla being an "application" on top of that framework. When this > > happens, making the GRE a dependancy of Wine would not be such a big > > deal IMHO, it's only a few megs at the moment. > > > > * Pros: We get a high quality rendering engine that we know is > > powerful enough to do what we need, and when the GRE thing happens > > it'll be relatively easy to embed too. Already has IWebBrowser > > interfaces(bitrotted afaik). > > * Cons: Gecko codebase is huge and complex, adding whatever IEisms > > are > > necessary may be hard. Overhead of XPCOM etc. > > > I'll add something else here. > > Mozilla is an absolute pain to run on OpenBSD. The porting team have > recently worked out that they can get it to run as long as they > statically link it. > > I have no idea if the Gecko part is affected by this, and I'm aware that > Wine does not currently run on OBSD anyway, but why make things more > difficult. > > Konq runs happily so KHTML is probably no problem and I have not heard > of any problems with GtkHTML. >

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Re: ddraw fix
by Marko Kreen 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

> > Probably application bug: it called DIB_DirectDrawSurface_Blt > > with .bottom > 36000, seems like DirectDraw sanitized the > > values. > > Well, I would prefer the fix to be different... For example, it seems to be > valid to have negative top values as long as 'bottom - top' is valid (as it > seems that DDraw will clip the blit for you). > > Problem is that if negative top is valid, then bottom being bigger than > dwHeight should be valid too. And your patch will thus prevent > this case to work. I guess you are right. > Did you try to simply return an error message (instead of doing the assert) > to see if you see any graphical glitches ? Yes, it did give glitches. After clipping it gave sane picture. But I dont have any idea how the picture looks on Windows, I dont have Windows. Some values from log: fixme:ddraw:DIB_DirectDrawSurface_Blt ddesc.dwHeight=480 xdst.top=382 xdst.bottom=36242 fixme:ddraw:DIB_DirectDrawSurface_Blt sdesc.dwHeight=480 xsrc.top=381 xsrc.bottom=36242 fixme:ddraw:DIB_DirectDrawSurface_Blt ddesc.dwHeight=480 xdst.top=381 xdst.bottom=36242 fixme:ddraw:DIB_DirectDrawSurface_Blt sdesc.dwHeight=480 xsrc.top=382 xsrc.bottom=36242 > Anyway, I am installing Mingw + the DirectX SDKs to do some test apps on a > Win2K laptop. I will try this case to see if I manage to see what real > Windows does. Cool. I looked into DDraw docs in web, but there was no descripton for special cases. I tried to fantasize but it got too crazy for me... -- marko

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how to run a test with native dll ? [netapi32]
by Sylvain Petreolle 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

hi, the wksta netapi32 test fails and crashes trying to load unimplemented function in advapi32. how to run it with advapi32 loaded as native ? I already set "advapi32" = "native" and doesn't change anything. ../../../tools/runtest -q -P wine -M netapi32.dll -T ../../.. -p netapi32_test.exe.so wksta.c && touch wksta.ok err:win32:PE_fixup_imports No implementation for advapi32.dll.151(LsaClose) imported from C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\netapi32.dll, setting to 0xdeadbeef err:win32:PE_fixup_imports No implementation for advapi32.dll.160(LsaFreeMemory) imported from C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\netapi32.dll, setting to 0xdeadbeef err:win32:PE_fixup_imports No implementation for advapi32.dll.167(LsaNtStatusToWinError) imported from C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\netapi32.dll, setting to 0xdeadbeef err:win32:PE_fixup_imports No implementation for advapi32.dll.169(LsaOpenPolicy) imported from C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\netapi32.dll, setting to 0xdeadbeef err:win32:PE_fixup_imports No implementation for advapi32.dll.173(LsaQueryInformationPolicy) imported from C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\netapi32.dll, setting to 0xdeadbeef wksta.c:41: Test failed: User Name Retrieved wksta.c:74: Test failed: NetWkstaUserGetInfo is successful wksta.c:76: Test failed: This is really user name wksta.c:78: Test failed: Is allocated with NetApiBufferAllocate fixme:netapi32:NetWkstaUserGetInfo Level 1 processing is partially implemented wine: Unhandled exception, starting debugger... ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com

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Fwd: Re: CHM & Wine
by Dimitrie O. Paun 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: CHM & Wine Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:42:05 -0500 From: Matthew T. Russotto <mrussotto(a)speakeasy.net> To: dpaun(a)rogers.com On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 10:16 AM, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On November 8, 2002 03:32 pm, Matthew T. Russotto wrote: >> It's GPLed because it uses GPLed code, namely the LZW compressor from >> Stuart Caie's "chmtools". > > In fact, Stuart Caie just donated his code to Wine under LGPL: > > http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-devel/2002/11/0613.html > > So that is no longer a impediment... OK, then I have no problem either. The Wine project may use CHMtools under the terms of the LGPL (version 2.1) ------------------------------------------------------- -- Dimi.

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In OLE32 ,CoGetObject is error!
by Kevin 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

helllo,everyone. I use native OLE32.dll. When I call CoGetObject, The error is REGDB_E_CLASSNOTREG. That is to say the object is not registed!!! Why?? If somebody is interested it ,I can send some files to him .Tanks!! Kevin

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Wine contrib#donate in need of a update !!!
by Thomas Wickline 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hello, I sent Douglas Ridgway a e-mail asking if the address listed on : http://www.winehq.com/about/index.php?contrib#donate was still correct. And I got this : The original message was received at Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:04:00 -0600 from ncsmtp02.ogw.rr.com [24.93.67.83] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ridgway(a)gmcl.com (reason: 550 <unknown[198.144.4.3]>: Client host rejected: Access denied) (expanded from: <ridgway(a)winehq.com>) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to taiga.gmcl.com.: >>>>>> RCPT To:<ridgway(a)gmcl.com> <<< 550 <unknown[198.144.4.3]>: Client host rejected: Access denied 550 5.1.1 ridgway(a)gmcl.com... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; wine.codeweavers.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; ncsmtp02.ogw.rr.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:04:00 -0600 Final-Recipient: RFC822; ridgway(a)winehq.com X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; ridgway(a)gmcl.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; taiga.gmcl.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <unknown[198.144.4.3]>: Client host rejected: Access denied Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:04:41 -0600 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So who do I send the $25.00 to ? And can someone *please* update this ASAP.. It is bad when you cant give money away !! Thomas Wickline

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Wine button take 2
by Mike Hearn 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Here's my next attempt. It's smaller, thinner, anything I missed? A few things to consider - Biggest issue, what happens if we ask somebody to put up a Works With Wine button, and then they release a new version that doesn't? Do they take the button down? See below for a possible resolution to that problem. - Where does the button link to? I vote for a page that introduces Wine and perhaps also Linux, how they relate etc - ie assume zero knowledge about free software. The page then has a link to the appdb entry for the program. The "intro" page would simply be have a dynamically generated link to the appdb, so it acts as a kind of forwarding page. If a new version is released and it no longer works in Wine, this can be noted in the appdb. - Could it be used as the start of trying to get Wine accepted as just another version of Windows? Once the button is up on the site, I should think the app maintainers would want to keep it there, after all if it works in Wine then their app has a bigger market right? I started thinking about how to get more people helping out on Wine, and remembered that in the early days of X some of the developers signed NDAs with hardware makers to get the driver specs. Perhaps if there is an app that for whatever reason doesn't work with Wine, a developer could sign an NDA, get access to the source, and either improve Wine so it works, or alter the program (possibly both). We win, as Wine improves. They win, as their app now works on Linux too. Of course, it'd be nicer to have native apps, but hey. - The button is just there if site owners would like it, I'd be happy to settle for a textual link as well. - Should the intro page explain about the 3 streams of Wine? IE "if the app that linked to this page is a business app, you may have success with CodeWeavers Crossover. If it was a game, then you might want to investigate WineX, or you can get the latest sources direct from WineHQ" etc I'm happy to knock up an intro page that can be integrated into the wine site if that's what people would like. thanks -mike

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TODO: Finish DLL separation Phase 1
by Dimitrie O. Paun 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Alexandre, Do you have a gameplan for this beast? -- Dimi.

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