topic proposal - Full Stack on Wine

[Qian Hong]

Dear folks,

I'd like to proposal a short talk on the topic "Full Stack on Wine".

"Full Stack" means "full software stack", for example, the attached
image is a software stack for Chromium. Chromium depends on several
libraries like gtk, sqlite3, libwebp, these libraries depend on some
common libraries like cairo, pango, then those common libraries depend
on lower level libraries like libpng, glib, finally they depend on a
few basic libraries like gcc-libs and zlib.

In the plan of Full Stack on Wine, we are thinking about improving the
compatibility of thousands of open source win32 libraries on top of
wine, from bottom to top, layer by layer. At the same time, we are
planing to collaborate with thousands of open source win32 projects,
make Wine a useful build & testing  & deployment platform for them,
establish a win-win for both sides. The idea is inspired by
http://wiki.winehq.org/UnitTestSuites , but not exact the same, I'll
explain the details in the talk.

Thanks for contribution from many people, currently we've successfully
build 300+ win32 open source projects on top of Wine (using win32
version of toolchain, instead of cross-compile), with the help of
MSYS2 [1]. At the same time, we also made Cygwin almost work out of
box on Wine.

In the final, I'd like to not only make a call of help, but also
proposal some adjustment on the Wine project, to coordinate with some
of our partner win32 open source projects, that would bring us to an
open discussion.

The talk is relative short, about 15 mins. I'd really like to talk 15
hours, but thanks to god my spoken English is so poor so I couldn't
;-)

Thank you!

[1] https://msys2.github.io

[Qian Hong]

Dear folks,

Thanks for listening to my talk, I appreciate everyone join the
discussion and provide feedback, all the opinions are very valuable.
For folks who are not present at WineConf, I've attached my slide to
http://wiki.winehq.org/WineConf2015?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=...
, I'll also create a wiki page on Wine for the Full Stack on Wine idea
later.

For people who want to test Cygwin/MSYS2 on Wine earlier, here is the step:
1. fetch latest Wine Staging source code
2. apply a wine hack from https://bugs.wine-staging.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561#c3
3. apply another wine hack from
https://bugs.wine-staging.com/show_bug.cgi?id=404#c7
4. compile Wine Staging

Then it will be enough to have Cygwin/MSYS2 works like the slide said
(gcc compiles, 300+ MSYS2 packages compiles, Qt compiles, etc). Enjoy!

See also https://github.com/fracting/wine-fracting/wiki/MSYS2-on-Wine#build-status
for some other information.

All these will be collect to Wine wiki, I need some more time to do that.

Thank you!

[Aaryaman Vasishta]

2. apply a wine hack from
> https://bugs.wine-staging.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561#c3
> 3. apply another wine hack from
> https://bugs.wine-staging.com/show_bug.cgi?id=404#c7

Maybe it would be easier for some if you squash both hacks in one diff
patch and attach it here?

Cheers,
Aaryaman

[Qian Hong]

Hi Aaryaman,

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Aaryaman Vasishta
 wrote:
> Maybe it would be easier for some if you squash both hacks in one diff patch
> and attach it here?

Good advice, thank you very much, I attached my hack here.

[Austin English]

On Sep 21, 2015 8:53 AM, "Qian Hong"  wrote:
> Dear folks,
>
> Thanks for listening to my talk, I appreciate everyone join the
> discussion and provide feedback, all the opinions are very valuable.
> For folks who are not present at WineConf, I've attached my slide to

http://wiki.winehq.org/WineConf2015?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=...
> , I'll also create a wiki page on Wine for the Full Stack on Wine idea
> later.
>
> For people who want to test Cygwin/MSYS2 on Wine earlier, here is the

step:
> - fetch latest Wine Staging source code
> - apply a wine hack from

https://bugs.wine-staging.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561#c3
> - apply another wine hack from
>
> https://bugs.wine-staging.com/show_bug.cgi?id=404#c7
> 4. compile Wine Staging
>
> Then it will be enough to have Cygwin/MSYS2 works like the slide said
> (gcc compiles, 300+ MSYS2 packages compiles, Qt compiles, etc). Enjoy!
>
> See also

https://github.com/fracting/wine-fracting/wiki/MSYS2-on-Wine#build-status
> for some other information.
>
> All these will be collect to Wine wiki, I need some more time to do that.
>
> Thank you!
>
> wineconf mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wineconf

Howdy Qian,

Thanks for the presentation and the great work on this project! I'd like to
contribute by testing/building some of the untested 700 packages,  where
can I find your build/Travis CI scripts?

[Qian Hong]

Hey Austin,

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Austin English  wrote:
> Thanks for the presentation and the great work on this project! I'd like to
> contribute by testing/building some of the untested 700 packages,  where can
> I find your build/Travis CI scripts?

Thanks a lot for your great support!

Currently I'm in vacation so my reply is slow, sorry for that!

Here is the Travis CI scripts last time I use:
https://github.com/fracting/msys2-scripts

However, it is outdated, many situation has been changed in the past
few weeks, so I won't recommend you to have a try.
Besides, we are still needing a real fix for those two hacks I
mentioned in the previous mail before we can actual using MSYS2 in
Travis CI, that would take some time. I will update my scripts soon
after back from vacation, and I'll definitely call you for help when
I'm ready ;-)

Before that, if you don't mind patch Wine-Staging locally with my
hacks, then I think this wiki is good enough for you to build some
MinGW packages locally:
http://sourceforge.net/p/msys2/wiki/Contributing%20to%20MSYS2/

Cheers from Munich and looking forward to discuss with you for more details!

Thanks!