WineConf 2007

[Tom Wickline]

Hello Everyone,

Vote 1 for Amsterdam :-)
My second choice would be Minneapolis/St. Paul

http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wineconf/2006-December/000378.html

Tom

[Dan Kegel]

On 2/5/07, Tom Wickline  wrote:
> [amsterdam]

I for one would love to visit Amsterdam!

I had a selfish plan to host wineconf in Los Angeles so
my cs130 students, Lei, and my four interns could attend,
but I'll understand if people prefer Europe.

How many people on this list would be unable to
attend in Amsterdam, and would a video link be of any use?
Maybe we could webcast it like we tried in 2002,
but with five years of Moore's Law on our side.
- Dan

[James Hawkins]

On 2/6/07, Dan Kegel  wrote:
> On 2/5/07, Tom Wickline  wrote:
> > [amsterdam]
>
> I for one would love to visit Amsterdam!
>
> I had a selfish plan to host wineconf in Los Angeles so
> my cs130 students, Lei, and my four interns could attend,
> but I'll understand if people prefer Europe.
>
> How many people on this list would be unable to
> attend in Amsterdam, and would a video link be of any use?
> Maybe we could webcast it like we tried in 2002,
> but with five years of Moore's Law on our side.
> - Dan

European trips are alwasy tricky for me, so I personally vote for St.
Paul.  On the other hand, I know Europe would be a lot easier for most
of the devs.  Some sort of video conferencing or streaming video at
the least would be very nice though for those that can't make it.
I've seen several wineconf's come and go, and I'm hoping that I can be
a part of one soon :)

[Shachar Shemesh]

Dan Kegel wrote:
> I had a selfish plan to host wineconf in Los Angeles so
> my cs130 students, Lei, and my four interns could attend,
> but I'll understand if people prefer Europe.

I will not arrive to any conference done in the USA. Boycotting it until
they stop collecting biometric data on entrance and exit.

Shachar

[Jeremy White]

> I had a selfish plan to host wineconf in Los Angeles so
> my cs130 students, Lei, and my four interns could attend,
> but I'll understand if people prefer Europe.
>
> How many people on this list would be unable to
> attend in Amsterdam, and would a video link be of any use?
> Maybe we could webcast it like we tried in 2002,
> but with five years of Moore's Law on our side.

I feel like you haven't done your plan justice.

Wasn't the original idea to have 2 (or more?) official
Wineconf sites, linked by video conferencing equipment?

That does have challenges; time zone sync is a hard one,
for starters.  Further, you lose much of the value of
the plain old socializing we do (i.e.  they don't
have video conferencing service in the pubs :-/).

But if it lets a bunch of people get together who
wouldn't have otherwise, I don't see how it could be bad.
(Okay, I guess if you let troubles connecting a small
remote site delay and interfere with a 'main' site,
then that could arguably be considered 'bad'; but I think
we're assuming a best case scenario...)

Cheers,

Jeremy

[Dan Kegel]

On 2/6/07, Jeremy White  wrote:
> Wasn't [your] original idea to have 2 (or more?) official
> Wineconf sites, linked by video conferencing equipment?
>
> That does have challenges; time zone sync is a hard one,
> for starters.  Further, you lose much of the value of
> the plain old socializing we do (i.e.  they don't
> have video conferencing service in the pubs :-/).
>
> But if it lets a bunch of people get together who
> wouldn't have otherwise, I don't see how it could be bad.

Well, let me make two concrete proposals:

All the presentations would take place in Amsterdam, but
would be available remotely in two ways:
presentation slides up ahead of time on the wineconf site, and
videotaped talks on YouTube for viewing a couple hours later.
Hopefully the talks in Amsterdam would be available for viewing
the next day on YouTube.
Taping, editing, and uploading the talks would be a challenge,
you would want one person doing the recording, and a second
person doing the editing and uploading (presumably during the
next talk.)  It'd be quite a trick if it worked.  (I tried taping
the 2006 talks, and both my camerawork and my audio were
lousy; maybe I could practice on some local events to refine my
technique.)

Alternately, the meeting could be held at the Amsterdam office
of a company with good videoconference gear and relayed
to that company's Los Angeles office; that would be easier
(no video editing or uploading) but harder (not sure my company
can offer its Amsterdam office) and wouldn't make the presentations
as available to folks who can't travel.

Or we could do live streaming audio or video,
but that's really hard, and I'd rather not try.
- Dan

[Dan Kegel]

On 2/6/07, Dan Kegel  wrote:
> videotaped talks on YouTube for viewing a couple hours later.
> Hopefully the talks in Amsterdam would be available for viewing
> the next day on YouTube.
> Taping, editing, and uploading the talks would be a challenge,
> you would want one person doing the recording, and a second
> person doing the editing and uploading (presumably during the
> next talk.)  It'd be quite a trick if it worked.  (I tried taping
> the 2006 talks, and both my camerawork and my audio were
> lousy; maybe I could practice on some local events to refine my
> technique.)

Better idea: record the video straight from the presenter's laptop,
using http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/

The Ubuntu demo team uses this.  Their writeup is at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/RecordingScreencasts
(it's scary because they also document how they create
screencasts of installing new operating systems, which involves
virtual machines; that's not needed for screencasting plain
old demos or talks.)

I'll see if I can get that working on my laptop, and maybe put
up some simplified instructions.
- Dan

[Michael Stefaniuc]

Tom Wickline wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Vote 1 for Amsterdam :-)

Me to </aol>.
Or Utrecht if that is easier to do for Hans.
> My second choice would be Minneapolis/St. Paul

Nah, too short notice for that as Minneapolis/St. Paul is fun only in
deep winter ;)
If we do the Wineconf in USA then a date outside of the summer holiday
season in Europe would be best. Else the air fare is too expensive for most.

bye
    michael