November 2002 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: Wine 0.8 TODO v0.1 + help request :)

by Ender

Here are a few programs I've used in the last few days that are near enough to flawless with only builtins: App-wise: mIRC 6.2 - www.mirc.co.uk IDA Pro 4.2.1 Demo - ftp://ftp.po.cs.msu.su/pub/ida/demo421.zip E-Tax (Australian Electronic Tax software, needs Desktop mode :/) Game-wise: Jazz Jackrabbit 2 Fallout - James 'Ender' Brown Project Leader, ScummVM: http://www.scummvm.org/ Founder, QuakeSRC: http://www.quakesrc.org/ Lead Programmer, www.collectivedetective.org On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Carlos Lozano wrote: > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:19:22 +0100 > From: Carlos Lozano <clozano(a)andago.com> > To: wine-devel(a)winehq.com > Subject: Re: Wine 0.8 TODO v0.1 + help request :) > > > Hello everybody :), > > Could you send me a list of the popular apps what you have been able to > install+run more or less flawless (using only builtin dlls)??? > > o Name of the app. > o Version. > o URL, if it can be free downloaded. > > * popular apps: Applications used by a large number of people in > * multiples > countries :) > * install+run flawless > > Thanks, > Regards, > Carlos. > > -- > ___ _ \ | / Infraestructuras > | . |._ _ _| | ___ ___ ___ http://www.andago.com > | || ' |/ . |<_> |/ . |/ . \__ GNU/Linux > |_|_||_|_|\___|<___|\_. |\___/ _ \ __|\ \ / > Carlos A. Lozano <___'/ | \ -_) __/\__ \ > < -_) > [ carlos.lozano(a)andago.com ]\___|_| ____/ _/\_\___| > [ calb(a)epsxe.com ] http://www.epsxe.com >

Nov. 1, 2002

Tucows top-100 applications :)

by Carlos Lozano

Hello, It is today top 100 tucows list. I think that it shouldn't be the better wine top 100 list, some entries should be removed, and some new added. (For example some cdrecord program). Regards, Carlos. -- ___ _ \ | / Infraestructuras | . |._ _ _| | ___ ___ ___ http://www.andago.com | || ' |/ . |<_> |/ . |/ . \__ GNU/Linux |_|_||_|_|\___|<___|\_. |\___/ _ \ __|\ \ / Carlos A. Lozano <___'/ | \ -_) __/\__ \ > < -_) [ carlos.lozano(a)andago.com ]\___|_| ____/ _/\_\___| [ calb(a)epsxe.com ] http://www.epsxe.com

Nov. 1, 2002

Re: Wine 0.8 TODO v0.1

by Greg Turner

On Friday 01 November 2002 01:42 am, Thomas Wickline wrote: > The way it is now I Search around for who is working on what .. And > then PESTER > the info out of them ;) I don't like doing it this way. But it is the > only way I have at this time. Actually, this sounds like the only universally effective approach. No matter how well you encourage us, or how easy you make it for us, some devs will just forget or not care until someone approaches them personally and says "so how should this affect the status?" It may be pestering, but, hey, nobody put a gun to these people's heads and forced them to contribute to wine (except Alexandre, who I am beginning to think is a POW at CodeWeavers, and may have Viet Kong tormentors who make him play Russian roulette for each unmerged patch ("what part of 'diddy mau' didn't you understand?")) -- gmt "The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people" --President Bill Clinton, MTV interview, 1993

Nov. 1, 2002

Re: IDL/header issues

by Greg Turner

On Friday 01 November 2002 06:47 am, Ove Kaaven wrote: > On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Greg Turner wrote: > > On Thursday 31 October 2002 06:08 pm, Ove Kaaven wrote: > > > Note that I will work on ReWind, not directly on Wine, so I > > > probably won't be able to submit massive "change all files to > > > include this instead of that" patches (that apply to Wine) with > > > any new files. > > > > I get the ReWind-patches digest. I'd be happy to continue merging > > your changes back into wine, at least insofar as I know how... but > > will they all funnel through that list, or do I need to watch cvs? > > I haven't decided yet. But I probably won't send to rewind-patches, > since I don't usually use that list (if it's something useful to > Wine, I'd just send a patch to wine-patches and have the rewind patch > tracker pick it up from there. But if it's not useful to Wine, I > commit it directly to rewind without sending it to any mailing list > first). If it's a patch that needs merging, maybe I could either send > it to wine-patches or directly to you? Last night, I caved, and checked out ReWind from CVS, and set up my little scripts to keep track of changes... so just proceed as normal and I'll keep my eye on it. This weekend I will also try and whip up a roll-up patch for ReWind with all unmerged RPC stuff. Nevertheless, don't hesitate to send stuff my way if you think it will make my work easier, and of course, sending stuff to wine-patches is never a bad thing, even if only for the peer-review it gets. -- gmt "The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people" --President Bill Clinton, MTV interview, 1993

Nov. 1, 2002

Re: Wine FAQ - call for a volunteer

by Jeremy Newman

> My vision for the FAQ is a hand edited main > FAQ with the current FAQ-o-matic being > pushed to a secondary role. I request that the new FAQ be done in the same was as the Docs, with SGML tools. This way it can be published in several formats. -- _ _WebGeek/NetAdmin CodeWeavers -= http://www.codeweavers.com | \| |_____ __ ___ __ __ _ _ _ -= http://jnewman.codeweavers.com | .` / -_) V V / ' \/ _` | ' \ -= mailto:jnewman(a)codeweavers.com |_|\_\___|\_/\_/|_|_|_\__,_|_||_| -= ICQ: 1842980 Yahoo: laxdragon

Nov. 1, 2002

Re: Wine securityflaw.

by Ove Kaaven

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Geoff Thorpe wrote: > However, that still *requires* that the wineserver is actually doing all > the work and the wine processes that load and link PE images are doing > very little except marshalling the win32 API back and forth to the > wineserver. I'm not convinced that's the case but would be thrilled to > find out if it was. Ie. does wineserver handle all translation from > win32 to native? GUI? network? file-system? The wineserver doesn't do any GUI as such, but it does handle message queues. It's also responsible for handling win32 requests for opening files and creating network sockets. Win32 security is meant to go into the wineserver (if ever), so the model is already close to what you want, I guess. > Or does some "permission-sensitive" functionality translation happen > directly from the PE-loaded processes by way of some linking-in of > Wine's win32 implementation? Maybe some, but no fundamental ones, I think. Any such could probably easily be rewritten. > I fear the latter, if for no other reason that the performance would > probably suck if *everything* was marshalling back and forth to > wineserver. It did, before Alexandre made some improvements (like shared memory and caching of file handles). It still does in some cases. But there are reasons other than security (like Windows's crappy IPC model) why everything must go through the wineserver, so it was a necessary evil (yet not so evil if it can help security, I guess) > I'm not necessarily suggesting any of the above should be implemented in > that form - but I certainly think having Wine's PE-loader let win32 > applications bind directly to native libraries (glibc for example) make > the security and flexibility elements of all this disappear quite > quickly. What do you mean? No PE apps can link straight to glibc. Only Unix-implemented DLLs (like the Wine ones) can link to it. The problem is rather that glibc will still be loaded into the process's *address space*, and thus a bad app could then get to it by searching for it in memory or get to it through the Wine builtin DLLs.

Nov. 1, 2002

Wine FAQ - call for a volunteer

by Jeremy White

Andi and I have talked about the FAQ a lot on and off through the years, going back to when he was in St. Paul and first set up the FAQ-o-matic. When I go visit a project the very first thing I look at (before screenshots, about, or *anything* else) is the FAQ. Therefore, I think it's extremely important to have a good FAQ. Now, Andi has poured a lot of work and energy into the FAQ over the years. But, here's the truth - it's not really a job he wants. (He and I discussed it privately). There are a lot of other things he'd rather do. So, I'm hoping that we could get a volunteer to step forward and take over responsibility for the FAQ from Andi. I'm particularly hoping that one of the new crop of wine-devel participants would be inspired to volunteer. My vision for the FAQ is a hand edited main FAQ with the current FAQ-o-matic being pushed to a secondary role. Cheers, Jeremy

Nov. 1, 2002

Re: Wine 0.8 TODO v0.1 + help request :)

by Dimitrie O. Paun

On November 1, 2002 07:37 am, Dustin Navea wrote: > Does this include games too? I would say yes, most def. -- Dimi.

Nov. 1, 2002

Re: So lets say we do it

by Dimitrie O. Paun

On November 1, 2002 03:04 am, Francois Gouget wrote: > Anyway, I'm not sure 'Status' should be top-level and if you look on > GNUStep's site it is in fact level 2 (it's a submenu of 'Information'). It is definitely a 'one-click' item. I get a instant surge of sympathy for projects (there are quite a few) providing this on their home page, just like the screenshot link. It means they did their homework, and they don't expect *me* to figure out their status (which is impossible, BTW). The only way we can have it as a submenu is if the menu is automatically expanded, but I don't like that for many reasons. I really think this falls in the same category as screenshots. Give it a try, it will be within the top 5 pages hit on the site, which certainly warants top-level status. -- Dimi.

Nov. 1, 2002

Re: Wine 0.8 TODO v0.1

by Dimitrie O. Paun

On November 1, 2002 05:40 am, Carlos Lozano wrote: > Oki doki :) Very cool. Things like FTP Commander, WinZip, etc. Even if they are not perfect (like FTP Commnader with it's ComboEx problem), but they look like can be esily fixed. We can then start going through them, and getting them to work. -- Dimi.

Nov. 1, 2002