February 2002 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: Another Potential Slave... I mean Programmer

by Steve Langasek

On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 02:14:08PM -0600, Joe Tennies wrote: > On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 05:42, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > > I'm not trying to start a Gnome/KDE flame war, but as far as I know, esd is > > > unmaintained and the Gnome developpers are thinking about switching to > > > aRtsd. Wouldn't it be more useful to write an aRts driver ? > > > > Actually if I'm not mistaken - GNOME people are moving to gstreamer, if I'm > > not mistaken. I'm not sure since I work with KDE here... > > > > Hetz > Actually, I just looked at gstreamer. It lies above aRts, esd, alsa, > and oss. It is a platform independent (well, not ported to everything > yet, but working on it) system. I think KDE SHOULD be heading this way > and am impressed that GNOME is. I think that gstreamer would be the way > to go for WINE. Layer after layer after layer... Are there any particular reasons that the authors of gstreamer believe that all of the existing audio APIs are unacceptable, or is this yet another case of the NIH syndrome that GNOME and KDE developers seem to suffer from all too frequently? And if there are problems with the existing APIs, what reason do we have to think that gstreamer will get it right? If people have issues with the existing sound daemons, their time could almost certainly be better spent working on the implementations /behind/ the APIs instead of creating the sound library du jour. It seems a terrible waste of programmer time to try to maintain as many as four library layers interposed between Wine programs and the audio hardware. Steve Langasek postmodern programmer

Feb. 2, 2002

Re: Another Potential Slave... I mean Programmer

by Joe Tennies

On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 05:42, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > I'm not trying to start a Gnome/KDE flame war, but as far as I know, esd is > > unmaintained and the Gnome developpers are thinking about switching to > > aRtsd. Wouldn't it be more useful to write an aRts driver ? > > Actually if I'm not mistaken - GNOME people are moving to gstreamer, if I'm > not mistaken. I'm not sure since I work with KDE here... > > Hetz > Actually, I just looked at gstreamer. It lies above aRts, esd, alsa, and oss. It is a platform independent (well, not ported to everything yet, but working on it) system. I think KDE SHOULD be heading this way and am impressed that GNOME is. I think that gstreamer would be the way to go for WINE.

Feb. 2, 2002

Re: resent: GetPrivateProfileInt*() fix

by Andreas Mohr

On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 08:17:45PM +0100, Michael Stefaniuc wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:13:57PM +0100, Andreas Mohr wrote: > Hello! > > > these functions were pretty much broken (overflow and signed/unsigned > > behaviour), so I fixed almost every problem. > > Some German tax calculation program barfed because of this. > > Now it works "much" better: it crashes due to a rather familiar BadMatch error > > at X_GetImage ;-) > > (I'm almost sure I know where this happens in Wine code, and of course we > > should really fix that problem finally) > I have also a german tax program (Steuertipps PC for the year 1999) and > I tried your patch as is. With or without the patch the program fails > with a MessageBox. Without patch after clicking "ok" an exception is trapped > and the debugger starts. With the patch wine just segfaults. Well, that actually *is* Steuertips PC, although it's 2001. So does it look like my patch is broken ? That'd be some rather big surprise to me, given that 1999 should show the very same behaviour as 2001. And I certainly don't know of any problem in my patch. (yet... ;) -- Andreas Mohr Stauferstr. 6, D-71272 Renningen, Germany Tel. +49 7159 800604 http://home.nexgo.de/andi.mohr/

Feb. 2, 2002

Re: resent: GetPrivateProfileInt*() fix

by Michael Stefaniuc

On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:13:57PM +0100, Andreas Mohr wrote: Hello! > these functions were pretty much broken (overflow and signed/unsigned > behaviour), so I fixed almost every problem. > Some German tax calculation program barfed because of this. > Now it works "much" better: it crashes due to a rather familiar BadMatch error > at X_GetImage ;-) > (I'm almost sure I know where this happens in Wine code, and of course we > should really fix that problem finally) I have also a german tax program (Steuertipps PC for the year 1999) and I tried your patch as is. With or without the patch the program fails with a MessageBox. Without patch after clicking "ok" an exception is trapped and the debugger starts. With the patch wine just segfaults. bye michael > I wrote my private testing framework for these functions, so I'll convert > that to the "official" framework soon. > -- Michael Stefaniuc Tel.: +49-711-96437-199 System Administration Fax.: +49-711-96437-111 Red Hat GmbH Email: mstefani(a)redhat.de Hauptstaetterstr. 58 http://www.redhat.de/ D-70178 Stuttgart

Feb. 2, 2002

Re: Another Potential Slave... I mean Programmer

by Joe Tennies

According to the gnome plan, they are still using esound for 2.0. So I guess that means... esd still? On Sun, 2002-02-03 at 05:32, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > I am considering writing a Wine Driver for esd. I am wondering > > basically where I start. > > I'm not trying to start a Gnome/KDE flame war, but as far as I know, esd is > unmaintained and the Gnome developpers are thinking about switching to aRtsd. > Wouldn't it be more useful to write an aRts driver ? > > Laurent Pinchart >

Feb. 2, 2002

Re: Another Potential Slave... I mean Programmer

by Derek Witt

Yeah, aRtsD can run stand alone without KDE. I do believe artsd is superior to esd in that the output doesn't sound like a scratchy shortwave radio. On my machine, aRtsD does have slightly more overhead (according to top), but it's hardly noticeable on my box. --- Derek. On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > I am considering writing a Wine Driver for esd. I am wondering > > basically where I start. > > I'm not trying to start a Gnome/KDE flame war, but as far as I know, esd is > unmaintained and the Gnome developpers are thinking about switching to aRtsd. > Wouldn't it be more useful to write an aRts driver ? > > Laurent Pinchart > > >

Feb. 2, 2002

Re: Another Potential Slave... I mean Programmer

by Hetz Ben Hamo

> I'm not trying to start a Gnome/KDE flame war, but as far as I know, esd is > unmaintained and the Gnome developpers are thinking about switching to > aRtsd. Wouldn't it be more useful to write an aRts driver ? Actually if I'm not mistaken - GNOME people are moving to gstreamer, if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure since I work with KDE here... Hetz

Feb. 2, 2002

Re: Another Potential Slave... I mean Programmer

by Laurent Pinchart

> I am considering writing a Wine Driver for esd. I am wondering > basically where I start. I'm not trying to start a Gnome/KDE flame war, but as far as I know, esd is unmaintained and the Gnome developpers are thinking about switching to aRtsd. Wouldn't it be more useful to write an aRts driver ? Laurent Pinchart

Feb. 2, 2002

Another Potential Slave... I mean Programmer

by Joe Tennies

I am considering writing a Wine Driver for esd. I am wondering basically where I start. I know esd is high latency (which may not be the best for such a thing), but I think it would be easier than trying to do alsa drivers. (I know ALSA has oss compatible drivers, but I can't get them to do a thing under wine... do work uner other programs.) Anyways, that leads me to here and me trying to help. Joe Tennies

Feb. 2, 2002

Another Potential Slave... I mean Programmer

by Joe Tennies

I am considering writing a Wine Driver for esd. I am wondering basically where I start. I know esd is high latency (which may not be the best for such a thing), but I think it would be easier than trying to do alsa drivers. (I know ALSA has oss compatible drivers, but I can't get them to do a thing under wine... do work uner other programs.) Anyways, that leads me to here and me trying to help. Joe Tennies

Feb. 2, 2002