April 2006 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: Update on Software Freedom Law Center work

by Jan Zerebecki

On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 05:59:49PM -0800, Scott Ritchie wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 22:33 +0100, Mike Hearn wrote: > > > There will also be the possibility of assigning our copyrights to that > > > organization, which would make it easier to enforce the license > > > > Copyright assignment in other projects has been tricky, and it can't be > > done retroactively. It usually requires developers to submit paperwork - > > we don't really want that .... do we? > > > Fortunately, in order to enforce the license they don't really need > rights to all of it, or even most of it - just rights to substantial > portions of the useful stuff. Heck, Alexandre's contributions alone > could probably be enough code to cover virtually the entire project. (IANAL... just AFAIK:) To enforce the licence one doesn't need any copyright (asignment) at the work at all. You just need to be appointed by (one of) the copyright holder(s) to enforce it. Jan

April 1, 2006

Re: Software Freedom Conservancy

by Steven Edwards

Hi, On 4/1/06, Scott Ritchie <scott(a)open-vote.org> wrote: > A while back I began seriously thinking about the possibility of > nonprofit status and began researching into all sorts of grants and > fundraising sources that Wine could potentially tap. Needless to say, > now I have reason to dig up my notes and look into it further. I did quite a lot of work with this for the ReactOS project and actually did all the paperwork required so I am happy to help in any way. ReactOS does not get nearly as much support as Wine does and so it mostly amounted to a waste of time and money for me. I have decided to disband the ReactOS Foundation due to this and a number of other reasons but I think the time has come for a Wine Foundation. If Wine is every going to get the support it needs beyond CodeWeavers I think there needs to be the organization there to handle large cash donations in the event IBM (Gasp) or anyone else ever decides to join the party. -- Steven Edwards "There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo

April 1, 2006

Re: Photoshop plugins in Gimp on Linux using Wine!

by Dan Kegel

On 3/31/06, Scott Ritchie <scott(a)open-vote.org> wrote: > > Nothing's stopping you from putting it in, er, Ubuntu Multiverse, > > though, is there? > > > > If you do, I'd recommend packaging up the .exe rather than the .exe.so. > > Other than my lack of the Photoshop SDK headers, no ;) Unless I'm mistaken, the Ubuntu Multiverse contains packages like Adobe Acrobat Reader, so clearly the lack of source should not be an impediment to getting a .exe into a .deb in Multiverse. - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv

April 1, 2006

Re: Software Freedom Conservancy

by Scott Ritchie

On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 21:48 -0600, Jeremy White wrote: > Anyone else have any objections or other thoughts on it? Let's remember that it's not just firms like Google that could give "the Wine project" money. Wine has some serious potential value for a whole lot of people - scientists, governments, businesses, charities, etc. What this means is that we're eligible for a whole ton of grants that nobody has ever even bothered to apply for. With the officialness of a respected nonprofit to act as a neutral body, we can start applying for these things. Significantly, interested donors can also get tax deductions and all the other side benefits that such charities bring. A while back I began seriously thinking about the possibility of nonprofit status and began researching into all sorts of grants and fundraising sources that Wine could potentially tap. Needless to say, now I have reason to dig up my notes and look into it further. Thanks, Scott Ritchie

April 1, 2006

Re: Photoshop plugins in Gimp on Linux using Wine!

by Scott Ritchie

On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 18:53 -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: > On 3/31/06, Scott Ritchie <scott(a)open-vote.org> wrote: > > > > As far as I understood you need Photoshop SDK headers to build it, > > > > right? > > > > Bummer. I was looking forward to making this into a .deb and putting it > > into Ubuntu universe, too. > > Nothing's stopping you from putting it in, er, Ubuntu Multiverse, > though, is there? > > If you do, I'd recommend packaging up the .exe rather than the .exe.so. > - Dan Other than my lack of the Photoshop SDK headers, no ;) Thanks, Scott Ritchie

April 1, 2006

Re: Implement THREAD_PRIORITY_TIME_CRITICAL

by Peter Åstrand

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006, Chris Morgan wrote: > Just using the jack audio driver won't ensure that we won't see > stuttering sound. If dsound is performing hardware emulation then it > has its own internal thread that is performing mixing and other dsound > events. If this thread gets held off then you'll have no sound to > give to the jack audio drive when it runs. > > Increasing the size of this dsound buffer and ensuring that it runs > seems like the easiest ways to fix issues with the dsound thread being > held off and should work for all audio interfaces assuming their > threads also run reliably. How can I do that? I'm experiencing lots of problem with Windows Media Player when using the Esound backend. Regards, -- Peter Åstrand ThinLinc Chief Developer Cendio http://www.cendio.se Teknikringen 3 583 30 Linköping Phone: +46-13-21 46 00

April 1, 2006

Re: Software Freedom Conservancy

by Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)

Jeremy White wrote: >> No objection from me.. Although, I should mention that I haven't seen >> much in the way of a link to donate to the project. Theres no link on >> the main page anywhere that I can see. Perhaps the fund would be a >> little bigger if it was easier to find a donate link? >> > > Hmm. On the lower right hand side of the main page is a donate > link, and there is also a donations request on Sourceforge. > > But you raise a good point; feel free to make a suggestion > for how it should change (a patch?) - I'm certainly not opposed. > > (Although the honest truth is that we raise more money than > we need right now, at least for Wine. For CodeWeavers, we can > always use more money :-/) > > Cheers, > > Jeremy > > hmm.. I didn't see that at all lol. I did however notice the contributing link shortly after I sent the last email. I think if we put the donate link (as well as the codeweavers link) on the left just under the search link they might get noticed a little more.. Of course you do raise a good point about raising more money than wine really needs, so on to the next idea... The short answer is that I dont have an idea right now, but I have done some thinking about it.. If you want the long answer, keep reading, else, just click close lol... Obviously codeweavers requires advertising and marketing in order to get new customers. The majority of that advertising so far has been done by the community and word of mouth. The biggest step towards taking codeweavers mainstream is obviously to get more people to switch to linux.. the press has done a decent job of helping us out in that respect, but a lot of people dont read the magazines. I mean I see it all the time on various forums, my favorite being the forum entitled the worst tech support call you have ever made... Someone will get DSL service, and not have a router, and think that it will work out of the box with whatever os they use... So when it doesnt and they cant figure it out, they call dsl tech support, and ask "Do you support Linux?"... Guess what the tech support rep asks 99% of the time... "What is Linux? Is that a new version of Windows?"..... Back to the point though, people dont read magazines or stuff on the internet so they dont know theres an alternative to windows. That means they dont know about cW or crossover. How do we get more users over to Linux? Good question, unfortunately one I don't have an answer for right now. Once we get users to Linux, or maybe even as the hook to get them to switch would be to show them crossover while showing them linux and how not prone to viruses it is, show them internet explorer running under it, or better yet show them stuff like word, excel, and adobe, and then show them firefox and say ok ie is the only app we are going to take away from you.. then the security issues are small (no ie to infect) but they can still use their regular stuff, and their machine will seem more responsive compared to how it ran on windows. I'm sure those are all ideas your people have already had and discussed, but shoot, it would be nice to see some linux based booths at e3 or ces or the revamped comdex once it comes out.. of course the best way to get mainstream is the force your way mainstream, more and better placement on store shelves.. get the stores to start pitching linux and the benefits of using it over windows. then have the rep help them decide on a distro and put them in touch with someone familiar with linux. of course that is all beyond codeweavers and wine's scope, but that is the idea.. get other linux companies to start pushing it more. M$ wants to play hardball? We gotta start predicting their pitches. Tom

April 1, 2006

Firefox much faster with 0.9.11?!

by Dan Kegel

I dunno what y'all did, but Firefox now downloads long mailing list indices much faster than it used to. This dogfood is getting yummier every month. - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv

April 1, 2006

Software Freedom Conservancy

by Jeremy White

I'd like to start a separate thread on this subject, so we don't lose the chance to discuss this. I think it's a really good idea for us to join. Right now, I manage the finances for 'The Wine Project'. The money literally flows into my personal bank account; I registered a 'Doing Business As' (DBA) in Minnesota so I could take checks and stuff as 'The Wine Project'. It's not tons of money, but the account is now up to about $2400 (which is nice, as our Wineconf fees will be about that much). (Of course, without the embezzling, it'd be much more, but that's the way it goes <grin>). Further, we had a challenge when we needed to manage the money from Google for the Summer of Code. Again, I handled it via CodeWeavers, but it wasn't quite 'right'. So I think it would be better for us to have a professional organization to hold these funds, and to serve as an umbrella organization for us. Candidly, I'm not sure I see any down side. They do all the nasty work, and we get someone to help us out with annoying admin chores. What's not to like? I guess if they prove to be incompetent or unresponsive it could be an issue (like if we send them the $2400 but can never get a check cut). But right now I don't see much risk of that; the SFLC at least has been very responsive (which, considering what we're paying them [$0] is nothing short of miraculous). Anyone else have any objections or other thoughts on it? Cheers, Jeremy

April 1, 2006

Re: Photoshop plugins in Gimp on Linux using Wine!

by Dan Kegel

On 3/31/06, Scott Ritchie <scott(a)open-vote.org> wrote: > > > As far as I understood you need Photoshop SDK headers to build it, > > > right? > > Bummer. I was looking forward to making this into a .deb and putting it > into Ubuntu universe, too. Nothing's stopping you from putting it in, er, Ubuntu Multiverse, though, is there? If you do, I'd recommend packaging up the .exe rather than the .exe.so. - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv

April 1, 2006