February 2008 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: website: add links to most popular active Wine forums

by Zachary Goldberg

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Stephen Gentle <lists(a)stephengentle.com> wrote: > > > http://forum.winehq.org/ > > I just signed up. Need moderators? > > > > > > > > > > I can moderate if needed. Username - austin987 > > -Austin > > > phpBB forums actually can get spammed really badly in a short amount of time. Perhaps we should look into requiring administrative approval for new forum members? -- Zachary Goldberg Computer Science & Engineering Electrical Captain of Penn Electric Race Team School of Engineering at the University of Pennsylvania

Feb. 23, 2008

Re: website: add links to most popular active Wine forums

by L. Rahyen

On Saturday February 23 2008 01:37:21 Austin English wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Stephen Gentle <lists(a)stephengentle.com> wrote: > > > http://forum.winehq.org/ > > > > I just signed up. Need moderators? > > I can moderate if needed. Username - austin987 > > -Austin Creation of such forum (linked with wine-users mailing list) was the best solution I can imagine! This is really great. BTW, I can help with its moderation too. My username is "L. Rahyen".

Feb. 23, 2008

Re: [Wine] Re: Windows Kernel & Executive implementation

by Steven Edwards

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Volodymyr Shcherbyna <volodymyr.shcherbyna(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am not sure that ReacOS is a good example. Quite a big amount of code in > ReactOS contains leaked code of Windows (from Windows 2k). Recently I did a > research, since I have access to Windows code(code premium subscription), I > am able to compare things. I was the project cordinator for ReactOS for a while and still have a pretty good relationship with a lot of the active developers. Can you provide me a list of all code (just a list of offending functions would be fine) that is in ReactOS that you know to be from leaked windows sources and I will work with them to remove all offending code. Thanks Steven -- Steven Edwards "There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo

Feb. 23, 2008

Re: website: add links to most popular active Wine forums

by Austin English

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Stephen Gentle <lists(a)stephengentle.com> wrote: > > http://forum.winehq.org/ > I just signed up. Need moderators? > > > > I can moderate if needed. Username - austin987 -Austin

Feb. 23, 2008

Re: [Wine] Windows Kernel & Executive implementation

by Volodymyr Shcherbyna

Read comments inline, 2008/2/23, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon(a)gmail.com>: > > On Friday 22 February 2008, Volodymyr Shcherbyna wrote: > > Hello Tres, > > > > Yes, agree, there might be Linux equivalents to accomplish the same > > tasks. But let me pickup the description of winehq from official > > web-site : "[...] a compatibility layer for running Windows programs > > [...]". Doesn't that mean, that *all* software should work? > > > NO. > > It means that applications that users can reasonably expect to run > should be able to run. Note that it is applications that Wine targets. The description is quite non-precise. Who defines the policy of what should be run and what shouldn't? What I am trying to explain, is that, once something is designed to be compatible with Windows API, it should be compatible with at any case at any layers. For example, there is no sane reason in the world that VC++ should > always work under Wine, considering the deep knowledge of Windows that > is built into VC++. If you are developing a Windows app, then you > should compile it on ... Windows. And Wine runs atop a *nix system, so > it has no need to implement any NTFS-specific code as it does not need > to use NTFS as a storage layer. Should you need to manipulate NTFS for > some reason, we have ntfs-ng for that job. I don't care about file systems. What I would like to see in wine, is a little more abstractionist things, for example, file system filters support. NDIS IM filters, TDI providers, WFP, Kernel sockets and other things. There has to be a point where Wine stops and the correct answer to > anything more is "You should use Windows for that". I believe that line > lies just beyond user-space apps. Any other ideas on this issue? -- > Alan McKinnon > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com > > > -- with best regards, Volodymyr

Feb. 23, 2008

Re: [Wine] Windows Kernel & Executive implementation

by Volodymyr Shcherbyna

RegMon was just one of the examples. But basically, RegMon uses vxd driver for Windows 9x. For XP it uses NT driver which hooks SDT. On Server 2003 it uses legacy registry notification API. UMDF support started from XP. It does not cover 2k. Also, UMDF is just a part of WDF. However, I think it will be good to implement basic things, like NT drivers support. 2008/2/23, Dan Kegel <dank06(a)kegel.com>: > > Volodymyr Shcherbyna <v_scherbina(a)mvps.org> wrote: > > >>>[many apps use helper device drivers, e.g. RegMon, FileMon, TDIMom] > > > > http://source.winehq.org/source/dlls/ntoskrnl.exe/ntoskrnl.c > > > Unfortunately, that code just do stubs, and it is not actually executed > in > > kernel mode. > > > The current ntoskrnl.c is enough to run a few apps. > It's not intended to run arbitrary NT drivers. > > Now, RegMon uses a VxD, and I don't think we're ever planning on > really supporting those. Wine does ship with nine 'fake' VxD's; > these were added because they were needed by popular apps. > So if you have a particular VxD that's important enough, > we can reimplement it as part of Wine. > > I just noticed Microsoft's UMDF (User Mode Driver Framework). > I bet we could support UMDF drivers pretty well if we wanted to. > Have you ever played with that? > > - Dan > -- with best regards, Volodymyr

Feb. 23, 2008

Re: Wine and PulseAudio

by Jan Zerebecki

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 01:50:09AM +0100, Tomas Carnecky wrote: > nifty features, like per-app volume, transparent sink switching > etc, some of which are impossible to emulate through the alsa > pulse plugin. Which features can't be used through the alsa->pulse plugin? And is there any technical reason for that or just missing functionality in that plugin? Jan

Feb. 23, 2008

Re: [Wine] Re: Windows Kernel & Executive implementation

by Volodymyr Shcherbyna

I am not sure that ReacOS is a good example. Quite a big amount of code in ReactOS contains leaked code of Windows (from Windows 2k). Recently I did a research, since I have access to Windows code(code premium subscription), I am able to compare things. 2008/2/23, Fireball <wineforum-user(a)winehq.org>: > > You could have a look at ReactOS about this (www.reactos.org) But anyway, > Wine's way of supporting this will [most probably] be different from > reactos' way. > > > > > > -- with best regards, Volodymyr

Feb. 23, 2008

Re: website: add links to most popular active Wine forums

by Stephen Gentle

> http://forum.winehq.org/ I just signed up. Need moderators?

Feb. 22, 2008

New winetricks 20080222: new verb 'colorprofile' by Hans

by Dan Kegel

Hans Leidekker is working on http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11532 (Photoshop doesn't support custom monitor profiles), and contributed a new verb for winetricks, 'colorprofile'. As usual, you can pick it up at http://kegel.com/wine/winetricks

Feb. 22, 2008