February 2008 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: Make.rules.in: Pass the --nounistd flag to flex since unistd.h is a header that might not be present on all systems.

by Robert Shearman

Alexandre Julliard wrote: > Robert Shearman <rob(a)codeweavers.com> writes: > > >> If we do need it, we can include it in the .l file after config.h and >> with an appropriate include guard. >> > > You should instead put a %option in the files that need it. The point is that all of the files need it. Only tools/widl/parser.l needs to include unistd.h and it already does so manually. -- Rob Shearman

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: Make.rules.in: Pass the --nounistd flag to flex since unistd.h is a header that might not be present on all systems.

by Alexandre Julliard

Robert Shearman <rob(a)codeweavers.com> writes: > If we do need it, we can include it in the .l file after config.h and > with an appropriate include guard. You should instead put a %option in the files that need it. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.org

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: [feature requist] Glide API support

by Marcus Meissner

On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:11:17AM +0000, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote: > Vincent Weber <weber.vincent <at> gmail.com> writes: > > > > > Dear Wine devs,There are some games out there that were built with the Glide > API. The Glide API is the graphics API of the 3dfx Voodoo cards and is basically > a stripped down version of OpenGL. Could please consider adding support for the > Glide API > > Wine already works fine with the Linux version of Glide. You need Voodoo > hardware to be able to use this though. > > Someone could create a Glide>OpenGL library independantly of Wine and also call > it libglide{23}x.so. Then all Linux Glide apps could use it and Wine would also > use it automaticly. It may be handy to look into porting an opensource version > of a currently existing wrapper from Windows. > > This is not really related to Wine directly. This wrapper could and should be > created independantly of Wine. Btw, we had such a wrapper some time ago ... Linking to the Linux glide2x and glide3x. ;) Ciao, Marcus

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: [feature requist] Glide API support

by Julius Schwartzenberg

Vincent Weber <weber.vincent <at> gmail.com> writes: > > Dear Wine devs,There are some games out there that were built with the Glide API. The Glide API is the graphics API of the 3dfx Voodoo cards and is basically a stripped down version of OpenGL. Could please consider adding support for the Glide API Wine already works fine with the Linux version of Glide. You need Voodoo hardware to be able to use this though. Someone could create a Glide>OpenGL library independantly of Wine and also call it libglide{23}x.so. Then all Linux Glide apps could use it and Wine would also use it automaticly. It may be handy to look into porting an opensource version of a currently existing wrapper from Windows. This is not really related to Wine directly. This wrapper could and should be created independantly of Wine. Regards, Julius

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: Do we need a forum?

by Steven Edwards

On Feb 19, 2008 12:43 AM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote: > Anybody who thinks we need another forum > needs his head examined. There is no shortage > of Wine forums. We just need to use the ones that > already exist. Adding a new one will just fragment > the community further. The whole point of the discussion at wineconf was not adding yet another non-official sanctioned forum but having one that was blessed as the official go to place for information about any issue related to Wine. If we want to bless a list of existing forums it does nothing to reduce the fragmentation that already exists. My thoughts, as well as Tom's was that by creating a "blessed" location, all third parties as well as vendors that develop Wine related products could say "if you want to discuss using a vendor provided Wine product in a non-supported manner all are advised to go here and share information" Right now you have POL, Winedoors, CrossOver, Cedega, Bordeaux, etc all are Wine forks and addons that have little cross-polination of user related issues, tips and tweaks. Because Wine does not have all the spit and polish needed to "just work" out of the box there is a lot of duplicate work, some done by distribution maintainers, others done by lone hackers and still others done by Wine companies. As far as the users or these products go, who do they talk to when they have an unsupported issue? Lets say a gentoo user runs Cedega for an unsupported game, maybe it works in Winehq on Ubuntu but because of the existing forum fragmentation, where do they look? Winehq appdb? The news group? wine-users? Ubuntu forums? What about the CodeWeavers user running a non-supported application on Wine 0.9.foo and he wants to know how to drop a dll in to his CW install from stock Wine? CodeWeavers should not support that but Wine having a stable API makes it possible for the community to support that, provided that vendors package Wine in a sane manner. I could go on, but I think you should get the idea. -- Steven Edwards "There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: slc: Add Initial DLL

by John Klehm

On Feb 18, 2008 10:48 PM, Alistair Leslie-Hughes <leslie_alistair(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Changelog: > slc: Added Initial DLL > > Best Regards > Alistair Leslie-Hughes > > > > No Patch?

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: Do we need a forum?

by L. Rahyen

On Tuesday February 19 2008 05:43:33 Dan Kegel wrote: > Anybody who thinks we need another forum > needs his head examined. There is no shortage > of Wine forums. We just need to use the ones that > already exist. Adding a new one will just fragment > the community further. > > In particular, there are two forums right now > that people already use to discuss wine problems: > a generic one at > http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wine/ > and an Ubuntu-specific one at > http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=313 > Let's just link to them. I'll submit a patch to do > that in a minute. This is certainly good idea! > And I like Griswold's idea (on IRC) of improving > the current appdb in small ways, e.g. changing the > reply behavior to not open up a new page. > > For goodness' sake, don't create yet another new forum! > - Dan I agree that there is no need in "just another forum", really... Main point of this discussion was that winehq.org should have a link(s) to a forum(s) of some kind (WINE related) so users can find it easily. That's more than enough, actually. I saw your recent patch for this and I think this is exactly what was needed to fix the issue. So I think this topic is resolved (or, to be exact, will be resolved when your patch will be committed). Thank you for quick fix!

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: [feature requist] Glide API support

by Joseph Garvin

Wouldn't a wine implementation of Glide _be_ an OpenGL wrapper? Unless you wanted to implement it in terms of Wine's D3D for some reason. Jeff Zaroyko wrote: > Roderick Colenbrander <thunderbird2k <at> gmx.net> writes: > > >> The policy is roughly to ship dlls that are a core part of Windows. Yes there >> > are glide wrappers and quite a > >> bunch of those succesfuly work on Wine. Personally I don't know actual names >> > but a lot of users have used > >> Glide->OpenGL and even Glide->Direct3D wrappers without issues. >> >> Roderick >> > > > I've had the most success with this wrapper. http://www.zeckensack.de/glide/ > > > > >

Feb. 19, 2008

re: Do we need a forum?

by Dan Kegel

Anybody who thinks we need another forum needs his head examined. There is no shortage of Wine forums. We just need to use the ones that already exist. Adding a new one will just fragment the community further. In particular, there are two forums right now that people already use to discuss wine problems: a generic one at http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wine/ and an Ubuntu-specific one at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=313 Let's just link to them. I'll submit a patch to do that in a minute. And I like Griswold's idea (on IRC) of improving the current appdb in small ways, e.g. changing the reply behavior to not open up a new page. For goodness' sake, don't create yet another new forum! - Dan

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: How should we treat users on bugzilla?

by Dmitry Timoshkov

"Austin English" <austinenglish(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In my experience, the 'older' crowd prefers newsgroups, but 'younger' > people prefer message boards. Similar to how more advanced users > prefer CLI, but inexperienced/novices use GUI. It seems to me we're > trying to help the gui type of person, and a message board would be an > easier way to do this, IMHO. It's pretty much easy to see who needs help then. And assuming that inexperienced/novices can't help themselves, and people who really can answer their questions are not going to participate on forums (because it's mostly a waste of time IMO) the answer should be clear enough. Of course, if the creation of the forum doesn't aim to really help, but just a general form of discussing everything here and there, for the sake of it... -- Dmitry.

Feb. 19, 2008