February 2008 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: iTunes

by Maarten Lankhorst

Hi Edward, 2008/2/18, Edward Savage <epssyis(a)gmail.com>: > Does iTunes sync with devices when being run under xp in qemu or similiar? > > I honestly haven't updated my ipod for a year and don't use it any > more as i haven't found a viable and easy way to do it. Maarten will > probably be interested in the answer as well. It might run under vmplayer 2.0 if you add EHCI.present = "TRUE" to your config file. However iTunes doesn't seem to really like it and bombs out with an error in XP. (0xE8000001) Cheers, Maarten.

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: Do we need a forum?

by L. Rahyen

On Tuesday February 19 2008 03:11:24 Austin English wrote: > On Feb 18, 2008 8:53 PM, Christopher Harvey <arbuckle911(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > L. Rahyen wrote: > > > On Monday February 18 2008 19:44:08 Austin English wrote: > > >> On Feb 18, 2008 12:35 PM, L. Rahyen <research(a)science.su> wrote: > > >>> Of course, there is some people who like forums. If we decide > > >>> to create forum specifically for them, it is important to have > > >>> possibility to subscribe for receiving all (full) messages from the > > >>> forum to e-mail with direct link to reply page for corresponding > > >>> message, and ability to login permanently without stupid timeout > > >>> (using cookies). In fact there is some forums like this > > >>> (unfortunately, all of them are unrelated to WINE) and they are > > >>> pretty usable (however, personally I like mailing lists more, and > > >>> didn't used forums for a long time). Of course, if there is no > > >>> volunteer(s) to create and support such forum - then wine-users is > > >>> enough I think. > > >> > > >> In my experience, the 'older' crowd prefers newsgroups, but 'younger' > > >> people prefer message boards. Similar to how more advanced users > > >> prefer CLI, but inexperienced/novices use GUI. It seems to me we're > > >> trying to help the gui type of person, and a message board would be an > > >> easier way to do this, IMHO. > > > > > > Then what exactly we want? It is useful to decide what we need. > > > For example, phpBB forum with certain mods/modifications to give > > > functionality I mentioned. If we agree with this (or decide to choose > > > something else), then we can discuss next details, etc. > > > In fact, if we decide to create phpBB forum, I can help here. I > > > have programming experience with this in the past, and I can create > > > ready-for-use forum if we decide we need this (of course I can make > > > also its design, etc.). Also, I can give hosting on my server. > > > But first, we should make decision what we need. If above offer > > > is acceptable, then design details can be discussed farther. If not > > > then what is acceptable. > > > > Why not make a forum and then have winehq link to it? If it becomes > > popular maybe it'll become the official one. That's the spirit of the > > GPL, the way I see it, don't need popular support or permission. > > If everyone seems happy the way wine-forum.org is organized, we could > simply add a link on winehq. That way we don't add another forum to > the mix, and also have one area that can gather users of wine with > winehq's blessing. What I want to say is to wait 1-2 months and see what will change in wine-forum after this discussion. If major issues will not be fixed after this time then I think creating the forum from scratch is better just because I already have heavily modified and improved source code of phpBB forum (but it is somewhat old; however, updating to new version should be not very hard task) - so in my case much less programming is needed at the start. If I decide to create the forum in next few weeks, then let another 2-3 months to pass... After this it should be possible to make elaborated decisions. There is no need for rush in this case I think. Also Christopher Harvey is right, maybe it is better to create the forum first and only after this + 2-4 months waiting discuss this topic again. Then comparison with other forums will be possible in order to pick the best. But as I said, I want to wait at least 3-4 weeks to see if wine-forum.org will start to improve or not... If not I probably will try to create something better.

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: iTunes

by Edward Savage

Does iTunes sync with devices when being run under xp in qemu or similiar? I honestly haven't updated my ipod for a year and don't use it any more as i haven't found a viable and easy way to do it. Maarten will probably be interested in the answer as well. On Feb 19, 2008 10:02 AM, Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2008/2/18, Stefan Dösinger <stefandoesinger(a)gmx.at>: > > > Am Montag, 18. Februar 2008 06:34:04 schrieb Edward Savage: > > > Maarten why not focus on supporting applications that don't have viable > > > open source solutions first? I can think of hundreds. > > > > > > The only thing iTunes will add, with full support, is ipod syncing (that > > > isn't useless). > > > > > > Or should we avoid that debate? > > I think it would probably be better not to debate, but the issue is this: For > > you there are viable itunes alternatives, and for you there are other > > applications which do not have alternatives. Compare this to the discussions > > wether working on Microsoft Office is a waste of time or not. Everyone has > > other expectations, so it is *very* hard to judge which application will be > > useful and which not. > > > > In the same way the usefullness of $APP in Wine differs from person to person. > > A bug which is worth a small remark on a review for one person is a killer > > bug for another. > > > > To come back to iTunes, I have met a few people who considered Linux but were > > stopped by iTunes for various reasons. Some may seem laughable to tech-savy > > people(Other apps look differently), some are technically reasonable(iTunes > > shop, DRM support). Of couse you can find 100 reasons why AutoCAD is more > > important than iTunes, but you can also find 100 reasons why iTunes is more > > important than ACAD > Well I bought an ipod touch. But there are no other apps then iTunes > that can do the firmware upload so it's sort of laying on my desk > until I can figure it out. That aside, the alternatives rely on > tactics that are similar to loading malware. Real alternatives for > iTunes? Not so much. > > Cheers, > Maarten. >

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: Usable Wine interface

by Edward Savage

Thanks for this Christian. Running the apps in their own wine window fixes several usability issues I was having with them (as I don't like playing games fullscreen). Christoph how do you change between apps in the one window, or are you using multiple? On Feb 19, 2008 12:15 AM, Christian Authmann <spam(a)authmann.de> wrote: > Edward Savage wrote: > > I would very much like to see a --spawn-new trigger that can be added > > to a command to start a new virtual desktop. > > wine explorer.exe /desktop=Name,800x600 myapp.exe > > a hint about that command-line trick could be added to winecfg though, > as it seems to be quite unknown. > > >

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: Do we need a forum?

by Austin English

On Feb 18, 2008 8:53 PM, Christopher Harvey <arbuckle911(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > L. Rahyen wrote: > > On Monday February 18 2008 19:44:08 Austin English wrote: > > > >> On Feb 18, 2008 12:35 PM, L. Rahyen <research(a)science.su> wrote: > >> > >>> Of course, there is some people who like forums. If we decide to > >>> create forum specifically for them, it is important to have possibility > >>> to subscribe for receiving all (full) messages from the forum to e-mail > >>> with direct link to reply page for corresponding message, and ability to > >>> login permanently without stupid timeout (using cookies). In fact there > >>> is some forums like this (unfortunately, all of them are unrelated to > >>> WINE) and they are pretty usable (however, personally I like mailing > >>> lists more, and didn't used forums for a long time). Of course, if there > >>> is no volunteer(s) to create and support such forum - then wine-users is > >>> enough I think. > >>> > >> In my experience, the 'older' crowd prefers newsgroups, but 'younger' > >> people prefer message boards. Similar to how more advanced users > >> prefer CLI, but inexperienced/novices use GUI. It seems to me we're > >> trying to help the gui type of person, and a message board would be an > >> easier way to do this, IMHO. > >> > > > > Then what exactly we want? It is useful to decide what we need. For example, > > phpBB forum with certain mods/modifications to give functionality I > > mentioned. If we agree with this (or decide to choose something else), then > > we can discuss next details, etc. > > In fact, if we decide to create phpBB forum, I can help here. I have > > programming experience with this in the past, and I can create ready-for-use > > forum if we decide we need this (of course I can make also its design, etc.). > > Also, I can give hosting on my server. > > But first, we should make decision what we need. If above offer is > > acceptable, then design details can be discussed farther. If not then what is > > acceptable. > > > > > > > > > Why not make a forum and then have winehq link to it? If it becomes > popular maybe it'll become the official one. That's the spirit of the > GPL, the way I see it, don't need popular support or permission. > > > If everyone seems happy the way wine-forum.org is organized, we could simply add a link on winehq. That way we don't add another forum to the mix, and also have one area that can gather users of wine with winehq's blessing. -Austin

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: dlls/user32/edit.c -- remove superflous check (RESEND)

by Gerald Pfeifer

A second one which Marcus ended up reinventing, but at least the underlying problem is solved now. :-/ Gerald On Wed, 26 Dec 2007, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > Okay. In that case, to account for possible future enhancements of > ImmGetCompositionStringW(), we'll need a patch like the following. The > current error handling code in EDIT_GetCompositionStr() simply doesn't > work due to the unsignedness of dwBufLen. > > Gerald > > ChangeLog: > Fix error handling in EDIT_GetCompositionStr(). > > Index: dlls/user32/edit.c > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/wine/wine/dlls/user32/edit.c,v > retrieving revision 1.16 > diff -u -3 -p -r1.16 edit.c > --- dlls/user32/edit.c 20 Nov 2007 16:56:17 -0000 1.16 > +++ dlls/user32/edit.c 26 Dec 2007 21:29:33 -0000 > @@ -5360,6 +5348,7 @@ static void EDIT_UpdateText(EDITSTATE *e > > static void EDIT_GetCompositionStr(HWND hwnd, LPARAM CompFlag, EDITSTATE *es) > { > + LONG l; > DWORD dwBufLen; > LPWSTR lpCompStr = NULL; > HIMC hIMC; > @@ -5369,9 +5358,9 @@ static void EDIT_GetCompositionStr(HWND > if (!(hIMC = ImmGetContext(hwnd))) > return; > > - dwBufLen = ImmGetCompositionStringW(hIMC, GCS_COMPSTR, NULL, 0); > + dwBufLen = l = ImmGetCompositionStringW(hIMC, GCS_COMPSTR, NULL, 0); > > - if (dwBufLen < 0) > + if (l < 0) > { > ImmReleaseContext(hwnd, hIMC); > return;

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: Do we need a forum?

by Christopher Harvey

L. Rahyen wrote: > On Monday February 18 2008 19:44:08 Austin English wrote: > >> On Feb 18, 2008 12:35 PM, L. Rahyen <research(a)science.su> wrote: >> >>> Of course, there is some people who like forums. If we decide to >>> create forum specifically for them, it is important to have possibility >>> to subscribe for receiving all (full) messages from the forum to e-mail >>> with direct link to reply page for corresponding message, and ability to >>> login permanently without stupid timeout (using cookies). In fact there >>> is some forums like this (unfortunately, all of them are unrelated to >>> WINE) and they are pretty usable (however, personally I like mailing >>> lists more, and didn't used forums for a long time). Of course, if there >>> is no volunteer(s) to create and support such forum - then wine-users is >>> enough I think. >>> >> In my experience, the 'older' crowd prefers newsgroups, but 'younger' >> people prefer message boards. Similar to how more advanced users >> prefer CLI, but inexperienced/novices use GUI. It seems to me we're >> trying to help the gui type of person, and a message board would be an >> easier way to do this, IMHO. >> > > Then what exactly we want? It is useful to decide what we need. For example, > phpBB forum with certain mods/modifications to give functionality I > mentioned. If we agree with this (or decide to choose something else), then > we can discuss next details, etc. > In fact, if we decide to create phpBB forum, I can help here. I have > programming experience with this in the past, and I can create ready-for-use > forum if we decide we need this (of course I can make also its design, etc.). > Also, I can give hosting on my server. > But first, we should make decision what we need. If above offer is > acceptable, then design details can be discussed farther. If not then what is > acceptable. > > > > Why not make a forum and then have winehq link to it? If it becomes popular maybe it'll become the official one. That's the spirit of the GPL, the way I see it, don't need popular support or permission.

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: Do we need a forum?

by Steven Edwards

On Feb 18, 2008 8:19 PM, L. Rahyen <research(a)science.su> wrote: > OK, then if he is reading this list hopefully he will consider my words as > feature request. If he really will fix these issues that would be great. > Thanks. He lurks on wine-devel all the time so I am sure he wants to make the system easy to please for everyone. I'll discuss it with him at length off list because there was tighter integration I want to see also with appdb. -- Steven Edwards "There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: [PATCH] Environment variable to specify X11 window for desktop

by Timothy Lee

Dear Roderick, Roderick Colenbrander wrote: > I'm just bumping into this discussion. From what I read the reason you need such functionality is for a mozilla powerpoint plugin. Have you figured out how this embedding is done on Windows? I don't know much about it but I think embedding works using COM and perhaps almost the same as e.g. Flash. > > For example codeweavers has a plugin to embed IE plugins in mozilla, the same for the KDE reaktivate project which did something similar for Konqueror (although it can be used on mozilla too as they put it all in a library). Likely IE plugins work differently but I think the same embedding mechanism could be used, so you won't need such an X11 hack. > I've been doing some research on this during the development of my plugin, and came across the info on http://pptfaq.com/FAQ00153.htm, which mentioned that ActiveX support on PowerPoint Viewer 2003 and 2007 were removed on purpose. The only way to embed using COM objects is to install the full suite of MS Office. Another possibility to embed PowerPoint under Windows is to make use of system hooks, which can intercept the creation of the slideshow window. I believe it could be done this way, but have not investigated further. Regards, Timothy

Feb. 19, 2008

Re: Do we need a forum?

by L. Rahyen

On Tuesday February 19 2008 00:55:23 Steven Edwards wrote: > On Feb 18, 2008 6:57 PM, L. Rahyen <research(a)science.su> wrote: > > And personally I think that it will be too hard even for someone > > who knows AppDB very well. Also, there is naming confusion ("WINE forum" > > and "AppDB forum" - this will not allow users to find easily official > > WINE forum). And of course currently AppDB isn't specified as a forum at > > all (just try in Google "AppDB forum" - it seems that no one call AppDB > > "forum"). Another problem is that not all questions/comments are related > > to one particular application or applications at all - for example, > > general question about compile issues or other problems are possible > > (just compare wine-users archive with AppDB to see the difference). > > We discussed this at wineconf and could not reach consensus on what would > be the best method. > > > Currently it's hard for newbie to find a official WINE forum (try > > in Google for example "WINE forum linux"); well, this is because there is > > no official WINE forum currently... So most users who want to discuss > > WINE related issues in a forum discuss them on general > > Linux/distribution' forums. > > That was the idea in creating wine-forum. It would be one forum to > bind them all so to > speak. Currently wine discussion is fragmented across various forums > in ubuntu, gentoo, > Play on Linux, Winedoors, etc > > > Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to read all such forums, > > this is really too much "fragmented", this leads to some inefficiencies: > > sometimes WINE related questions on such forums cannot receive useful > > answer for a long time. Even worse, even if I find some question that I > > can quickly answer on the forum, it is impossible to do so without time > > consuming registration process. In fact there was some cases when I > > searched for some WINE related issues, find someone's unanswered question > > that I can answer quickly, but never find enough time and motivation to > > register. > > This is actually the problem that should be addressed if we > > decide to create forum. Registration shouldn't be required. At most (for > > protection from spam bots), few digits from a small picture should be > > entered by unregistered users before posting and that's all. As I said > > earlier, it is also important to have ability to subscribe for all > > messages from the forum otherwise (reliable) user support will be hard. > > And there is a lot of other important issues... By the way, > > http://wine-forum.org don't have these important features at all (just a > > note). > > And of course, I'm able to implement myself everything I'm > > talking above, with well looking design. But I will do this only if there > > is demand in this... That is, if it would be decided to create forum I > > will be glad to help, but if not then there is no point in creating of > > something that is intended for the community and isn't demanded high > > enough by this community. As I already said, I like mailing lists much > > more than forums, so my opinion about usefulness/uselessness of the forum > > is neutral. But I think it is useful to discuss this topic so right > > decision can be made (create or not to create the forum, or find other > > solution(s), or don't change anything at all) as a result of the > > discussion. > > As I stated, we discussed this at wineconf and consesus was not > reached. Dan wanted to use google groups, others want to keep mailing > lists, while others still want to use the newsgroups. wine-forum is > run by Tom Wickline who is a long time wine contributor so while I > would support a better system that integrates with appdb and the > winehq mainsite better, I am leery of yet another system if its not > going to have someone or someones dedicated to maintain it for years > to come. Well, if I created something, I will be able to maintain it as long as it useful. So this isn't a problem. Problem is that I don't see any kind of the agreement even between two people - so it is very difficult (or even impossible) to really create *official* forum in such situation... If agreement cannot be found, I think best idea is to not change anything. Well, that's not that bad - personally I think WINE community and its mailing lists (along with AppDB) are good enough for most users "as is". > Also as I stated, I don't think appdb is covers every > discussion topic unless you extend it to support distros, Wine forks, > winelib application projects, etc. That's (almost) what I said in my message (its too hard too implement + other issues mentioned by me and you) - so I agree with you. > Tom is committed to doing this with > wine-forum. If there is something you don't like, such as the > registration, advertisements, etc I am sure he is willing to adjust > the user experience. OK, then if he is reading this list hopefully he will consider my words as feature request. If he really will fix these issues that would be great. Thanks.

Feb. 19, 2008