February 2008 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

How should we treat users on bugzilla?

by Dan Kegel

I've been seeing a lot of bugs closed as INVALID when a poor user didn't file the bug perfectly. IMHO this leads to Wine having a user-hostile reputation. Case in point: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11625 What can we do to reduce this kind of behavior? Maybe we should have a "three warnings" sort of policy. If somebody continues to be rude to users after being asked twice not to, we should consider taking away their Bugzilla privileges for a while. Sure, that would hurt our productivity, but it might be better to do that than to alienate our users. What do other people think? - Dan

Feb. 18, 2008

Re: iTunes

by James Hawkins

On Feb 17, 2008 9:15 PM, Christopher Harvey <arbuckle911(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What needs to get done for iTunes to work? > 80% of bug fixing development is figuring out the answer to that question. If we knew all that was needed, it wouldn't take that long to fix. I'm not really sure what your motivation is for asking that question, but assuming it's because you want to help out, you're probably out of luck. If you have to ask that question, you certainly won't be able to fix it even if someone tells you what's needed. If, on the other hand, you just want to stir up the fire for developers to focus on iTunes...well, most of us don't take too kindly to that. -- James Hawkins

Feb. 18, 2008

Re: appdb feature request: hide the ugly urls

by Dan Kegel

On Feb 17, 2008 5:33 PM, Remco <remco47(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I think searching for literally all URLs is going to put > a lot of strain on the server. Not if it's just a hash table lookup. Note how Google is blindingly fast even though every query is a search. It's all due to the magic of hash tables... and elves... - Dan

Feb. 18, 2008

Re: Usable Wine interface

by Vitaliy Margolen

Remco wrote: > I'd like to add a feature-request (should this go somewhereelse?) Yes, bugzilla -> enhancement. Vitaliy.

Feb. 18, 2008

iTunes

by Christopher Harvey

What needs to get done for iTunes to work?

Feb. 18, 2008

Re: Next big app(s) to try?

by Dan Kegel

On Feb 17, 2008 5:36 PM, Remco <remco47(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I'd say, of the work-related apps, definitely MS Office 2007 > (especially Outlook) and Internet Explorer 6 and 7. My assumption has been that Codeweavers is busily working on MS Office etc. aready. > Of the fun-related apps, a few press-generating apps > would be Crysis DX10-mode and iTunes (iPod sync). Yeah, getting iTunes working properly seems like a must. - Dan

Feb. 18, 2008

Re: Usable Wine interface

by Chris Robinson

On Sunday 17 February 2008 05:35:46 pm Remco wrote: > I'd like to add a feature-request (should this go somewhereelse?). What > about making a Wine GUI to behave more like emulators likeVirtualBox. It's > extremely hard right now to get Wine in desktop mode. winecfg->Graphics->Emulate a virtual desktop (kind of a redundant option name) isn't that hard. Besides, I've actually had more problems with the virtual desktop because I had to use a smaller resolution, like 800x600, that some GUI apps don't tend to like (Google Earth for example, will complain and subsequent starts cause crashes because one of the window sizes went into the negative). > It would be nice if > you could start Wine as an application, which opensup a window like this: > > http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08081/mockup918.png (ignore the virtualbox-stuff) IIRC, there was an app that managed Wine prefixes, wasn't there? > And if you start one of those prefixes, it by default opens a WineDesktop > with a simple Taskbar & Start-menu. Wine doesn't have any shell programs. Though there are some Windows shell replacements floating around. If you set one of them into the Run registry key, it'll automatically start up with an app (except Run entries on startup are currently disabled..). Personally, I think it's the wrong way to go. Wine is supposed to integrate with the X11 desktop, so users should be encouraged to use that (and get any integration bugs fixed). The virtual desktop is for when you really want to run an app, which won't work under non-virtual desktop mode (which I think there's fewer and fewer apps like that left). Some people might want it left in for fullscreen apps that they want run in a window, though. My 2c...

Feb. 18, 2008

Re: [PATCH] Environment variable to specify X11 window for desktop

by Timothy Lee

Dear Dmitry, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote: >>> I'm struggling to imagine a case where the behaviour you've >>> implemented is useful. >> I'm actually using this code as the basis of a PowerPoint plugin >> under Linux. > I little bit more information won't hurt. For instance why your plugin > needs to re-route the whole desktop window, and not just its own one. The patch was used in a browser plugin that uses PowerPoint Viewer (97/2003/2007) and WINE to display PowerPoint slideshows. While developing the plugin, I've found that PowerPoint Viewer always playback slides inside a window that covers the whole desktop. Hence the idea was born to embed the desktop inside a native X11 window. I thought this patch might be useful to others with similar requirements, namely, to embed full-screen win32 applications inside a native X11 window. Regards, Timothy Lee

Feb. 18, 2008

Re: Next big app(s) to try?

by Remco

I'd say, of the work-related apps, definitely MS Office 2007 (especially Outlook) and Internet Explorer 6 and 7. IE7 needs a lot of work still. IE6 doesn't break on any Wine bugs AFAIK, but needs a special environment to install correctly. A little Wine magic might help here. IE is one of the few native Windows parts that cannot reasonably be replaced. Web developers need to test their sites in the real thing. Of the fun-related apps, a few press-generating apps would be Crysis DX10-mode and iTunes (iPod sync). Remco ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Feb. 18, 2008

Usable Wine interface

by Remco

I'd like to add a feature-request (should this go somewhereelse?). What about making a Wine GUI to behave more like emulators likeVirtualBox. It's extremely hard right now to get Wine in desktop mode.It would be nice if you could start Wine as an application, which opensup a window like this: http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08081/mockup918.png (ignore the virtualbox-stuff) And if you start one of those prefixes, it by default opens a WineDesktop with a simple Taskbar & Start-menu. Somewhere in theStart-menu could be the option to switch to desktop integration mode.There could also be an option to run the Wine Desktop full-screen. Likethis: http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08081/winedesktop771.png (forgive my GIMP skills) I believe this would be very good for usability. Desktop mode is morestable than seamless mode, yet it's hidden in winecfg. This kind of UIalso exposes the prefix-functionality in a transparent way. Wouldn'tthat be a nice 1.0 polishing idea? Remco ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Feb. 18, 2008