February 2009 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: Wine download page usability problem

by Dan Kegel

>> Firefox 3 on an unknown distribution Linux! >> >> userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en; rv:1.9.0.6) >> Gecko/20080528 Epiphany/2.22 Firefox/3.0 >> >> I don't think you're gonna be able to get the distribution name out of >> that... a problem with Epiphany I guess. Right, same with Konqueror. Fortunately, web access logs on kegel.com show that an overwhelming majority of visitors do specify the distro; the first entry that doesn't (Konqueror) is only #14 and accounts for a small percentage. And even then we won't break, we'll just show the current download page. 69 Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/4.2; Linux) KHTML/4.2.0 (like Gecko)" 72 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; Gecko Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Firefox/3.0.6" 73 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; Gecko Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Firefox/3.0.3" 74 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; Gecko Ubuntu/8.04 (hardy) Firefox/3.0.6" 75 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; Gecko Fedora/3.0.6-1.fc10 Firefox/3.0.6" 78 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; zh-CN; Gecko Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Firefox/3.0.6" 81 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; Gecko Iceweasel/2.0.0.19 (Debian-2.0.0.19-0etch1)" 87 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; Gecko GranParadiso/3.0.6" 114 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; Gecko Gentoo Firefox/3.0.5" 138 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; Gecko Mandriva/1.9.0.5-0.1mdv2009.0 (2009.0) Firefox/3.0.5" 150 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; Gecko GranParadiso/3.0.5" 229 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; Gecko Ubuntu/8.04 (hardy) Firefox/3.0.6" 254 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; Gecko Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Firefox/3.0.6" 832 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; Gecko Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Firefox/3.0.6"

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: Wine download page usability problem

by Remco

And now also to the list: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Remco <remco47(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote: >> >> Please try again, and paste the entire output page, I've added more info. >> >> Thanks! >> > > Firefox 3 on an unknown distribution Linux! > > userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en; rv:1.9.0.6) > Gecko/20080528 Epiphany/2.22 Firefox/3.0 > > I don't think you're gonna be able to get the distribution name out of > that... a problem with Epiphany I guess. > > Remco >

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: Wine download page usability problem

by Erich Hoover

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Remco <remco47(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote: > > Please try http://kegel.com/wine/distro.html > > and let me know if it detects your distro properly, > > I'll fix it up as needed. > > It's probably a more useful test if you also print the reported user > agent string. (By the way, Dan, could you somehow coerce your > colleagues into making a bottom-posting Gmail? ;) ) > > Remco > > Seconded. Attached is a simple (read: dumb) "distro finder" in PHP. Erich Hoover ehoover(a)mines.edu

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: Wine download page usability problem

by Remco

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote: > Please try http://kegel.com/wine/distro.html > and let me know if it detects your distro properly, > I'll fix it up as needed. It's probably a more useful test if you also print the reported user agent string. (By the way, Dan, could you somehow coerce your colleagues into making a bottom-posting Gmail? ;) ) Remco

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: Wine download page usability problem

by Remco

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote: > Please try http://kegel.com/wine/distro.html > and let me know if it detects your distro properly, > I'll fix it up as needed. You're running Firefox 3 on an unknown distribution Linux! Actually: Epiphany 2.24.1 on Ubuntu 8.10 x86-64

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: Wine download page usability problem

by Dan Kegel

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Erich Hoover <ehoover(a)mines.edu> wrote: > You could use the HTTP_USER_AGENT environment variable to do a first-order > attempt. That way for people with Javascript disabled there's at least a > chance you'll detect their distribution. Yeah, we could probably do it all in php instead of javascript.

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: Wine download page usability problem

by Rosanne DiMesio

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:40:28 -0800 Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Jeremy White <jwhite(a)winehq.org> wrote: > > I can see that it consumes vertical white space, and I > > can get over myself. I remove my objection :-/. > > Thanks! > > Next idea: why don't we detect the user's distro via javascript, and > put a targeted link to the 'right' package above the table? > > Please try http://kegel.com/wine/distro.html > and let me know if it detects your distro properly, > I'll fix it up as needed. > > I'm kind of excited about this technique for cleaning up install flows... > - Dan > You're running Firefox 3 on an unknown distribution Linux! (That's for Firefox 3 on openSUSE 10.3). -- Rosanne DiMesio <dimesio(a)earthlink.net>

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: Wine download page usability problem

by Vít Hrachový

Hi Dan, Firefox 3.1b2 on OpenSolaris 2008.11 returns: 'unknown distribution of an unknown OS'. Cheers Hark Dan Kegel wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Jeremy White <jwhite(a)winehq.org> wrote: >> I can see that it consumes vertical white space, and I >> can get over myself. I remove my objection :-/. > > Thanks! > > Next idea: why don't we detect the user's distro via javascript, and > put a targeted link to the 'right' package above the table? > > Please try http://kegel.com/wine/distro.html > and let me know if it detects your distro properly, > I'll fix it up as needed. > > I'm kind of excited about this technique for cleaning up install flows... > - Dan > >

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: Wine download page usability problem

by David Gerard

2009/2/20 Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com>: > Next idea: why don't we detect the user's distro via javascript, and > put a targeted link to the 'right' package above the table? > Please try http://kegel.com/wine/distro.html > and let me know if it detects your distro properly, > I'll fix it up as needed. You're running Mozilla 1.9 on an unknown distribution Windows! (Actually Firefox 3.1 in Wine on Ubuntu, but there's nothing in the user-agent that says it's not Windows ;-) ) - d.

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: Wine download page usability problem

by Erich Hoover

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Juan Lang <juan.lang(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Next idea: why don't we detect the user's distro via javascript, and > >> put a targeted link to the 'right' package above the table? > > > > Can we also have a non-Javascript page, please? People with > > accessibility issues, and crufty old curmudgeons like me who disable > > Javascript by default, would appreciate it. > > Of course. I think we should only have a single page, > and if Javascript is active, it should simply work better. > > You could use the HTTP_USER_AGENT environment variable to do a first-order attempt. That way for people with Javascript disabled there's at least a chance you'll detect their distribution. Erich Hoover ehoover(a)mines.edu

Feb. 20, 2009