February 2009 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: New Wine Gecko package

by Paul TBBle Hampson

On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 10:13:48PM +0100, Jacek Caban wrote: > Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 12:52:23AM +0100, Jacek Caban wrote: >>> The last release of Wine Gecko caused a few regressions. Thanks to >>> Alexandre, we've found the reason. The bad news is that the fix >>> requires a new package. I've uploaded RC build to: >>> http://gerwazy.lo3.wroc.pl/~jcaban/wine/wine_gecko-0.9.1.cab >> Still get a crash running iexplore out of the build directory: >> From 8e39646ac4d256b813ff69a23ba0c62ab4f08d33 (1.1.14 release) >> mkdir gecko >> put above wine_gecko cab in gecko directory >> mkdir build >> cd build >> ../configure >> make depend && make -j3 >> programs/iexplore/iexplore >> And crash inside xul.dll. A quick check suggests it's the same crash as >> I logged a stacktrace in bug 16785, modulo a constant offset of 0x50 >> across the xul.dll, and the stack trace is a different depth in xul (but >> the deep end matches) >> > Alexandre has found the problem. Gecko can't find fonts when Wine in ran > from build dir. As a temporary workaround you may copy content of fonts > directory to fonts directory in build dir. Thanks. I've updated the relevant bug accordingly. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Paul "TBBle" Hampson, B.Sc, LPI, MCSE Very-later-year Asian Studies student, ANU The Boss, Bubblesworth Pty Ltd (ABN: 51 095 284 361) Paul.Hampson(a)Pobox.com Of course Pacman didn't influence us as kids. If it did, we'd be running around in darkened rooms, popping pills and listening to repetitive music. -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/au/ -----------------------------------------------------------

Feb. 7, 2009

Re: imagicos

by Ben Klein

Oops, forgot to Reply All. Sorry, Austin! 2009/2/7 Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com>: > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Ben Klein <shacklein(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> 2009/2/7 Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com>: >>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Ben Klein <shacklein(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> 2009/2/7 EA Durbin <ead1234(a)hotmail.com>: >>>>> I just saw this linux distribution on distrowatch. They claim to be able to >>>>> run all microsoft products. Interesting. >>>>> http://www.imagicos.com/ >>>>> http://www.imagicos.com/microsoft.html >>>> >>>> No they don't. It says "almost every" on the home page and "most" on >>>> the "Microsoft" page. >>>> >>>> Assuming they're talking about Wine, someone should tell them that >>>> they're wrong anyway. "quite a lot of entirely win32 applications", >>>> maybe. Almost certainly not "most". >>>> >>>> Ooh, just spotted some interesting items on their "tested applications" list. >>>> - DirectX >>>> - DirectX 6 >>>> - DirectX 7 >>>> - DirectX 8 >>>> - DirectX 9 >>>> >>>> How about we just completely ignore these idiots? >>> >>> Also: >>> # Internet Explorer 5.0 and 5.5 >>> # Internet Explorer 6.0 >> >> I've heard of some success with 6.0 (without crappy >> winedoors/ies4linux stuff), so I didn't comment. >> >>> # iPod Support in iTunes 4.0 >> >> Hmm, that seems unlikely >> >>> # Mac OS X >>> # Mac OS X Audio Input Support >> >> Well spotted, Austin! >> >> Maybe they're talking about a VM, not Wine ... in which case, you'd >> have to get a copy of Windows, which defeats the purpose of being >> proud about their Windows app support. >> > > From http://www.imagicos.com/why.html : > "Compatibility > iMagic OS can run many Microsoft Windows applications along with Linux > applications, with help from the built in Crossover software." That might just explain why "CrossOver" is on their supported/tested apps list. Then again, maybe not. > Either they've got a deal with Crossover, or bundled it somehow? > > I sent them an e-mail asking for the source, we'll see how that goes. Not that I think it's worth talking about this for much longer, but also found these amusing: # Acrobat Reader 8 because there's no Linux-native version of that, is there? Oh wait, there is, and it's called Adobe Acrobat Reader 8 for Linux! # Adobe Creative Suite 2 (CS2) ... # Illustrator CS2 # InDesign CS2 ... # Photoshop CS2 Not trying to pad it out at all, are we? # The Orange Box which is not an application, but a box. Inside the box is HL2, Portal, TF2 etc # EVE Online ... # World of Warcraft # World of Warcraft Online OOOOOooooh online versions of MMORPGs! # Windows Media Player 6.4 # Windows Media Player 6.9 And ONLY THOSE SPECIFIC VERSIONS! Thanks, EA Durbin, you've made my day :D

Feb. 7, 2009

Re: imagicos

by Austin English

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Ben Klein <shacklein(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2009/2/7 Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com>: >> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Ben Klein <shacklein(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> 2009/2/7 EA Durbin <ead1234(a)hotmail.com>: >>>> I just saw this linux distribution on distrowatch. They claim to be able to >>>> run all microsoft products. Interesting. >>>> http://www.imagicos.com/ >>>> http://www.imagicos.com/microsoft.html >>> >>> No they don't. It says "almost every" on the home page and "most" on >>> the "Microsoft" page. >>> >>> Assuming they're talking about Wine, someone should tell them that >>> they're wrong anyway. "quite a lot of entirely win32 applications", >>> maybe. Almost certainly not "most". >>> >>> Ooh, just spotted some interesting items on their "tested applications" list. >>> - DirectX >>> - DirectX 6 >>> - DirectX 7 >>> - DirectX 8 >>> - DirectX 9 >>> >>> How about we just completely ignore these idiots? >>> >>> >>> >> >> Also: >> # Internet Explorer 5.0 and 5.5 >> # Internet Explorer 6.0 > > I've heard of some success with 6.0 (without crappy > winedoors/ies4linux stuff), so I didn't comment. > >> # iPod Support in iTunes 4.0 > > Hmm, that seems unlikely > >> # Mac OS X >> # Mac OS X Audio Input Support > > Well spotted, Austin! > > Maybe they're talking about a VM, not Wine ... in which case, you'd > have to get a copy of Windows, which defeats the purpose of being > proud about their Windows app support. > >From http://www.imagicos.com/why.html : "Compatibility iMagic OS can run many Microsoft Windows applications along with Linux applications, with help from the built in Crossover software." Either they've got a deal with Crossover, or bundled it somehow? I sent them an e-mail asking for the source, we'll see how that goes. -- -Austin

Feb. 7, 2009

Re: imagicos

by Ben Klein

2009/2/7 Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com>: > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Ben Klein <shacklein(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> 2009/2/7 EA Durbin <ead1234(a)hotmail.com>: >>> I just saw this linux distribution on distrowatch. They claim to be able to >>> run all microsoft products. Interesting. >>> http://www.imagicos.com/ >>> http://www.imagicos.com/microsoft.html >> >> No they don't. It says "almost every" on the home page and "most" on >> the "Microsoft" page. >> >> Assuming they're talking about Wine, someone should tell them that >> they're wrong anyway. "quite a lot of entirely win32 applications", >> maybe. Almost certainly not "most". >> >> Ooh, just spotted some interesting items on their "tested applications" list. >> - DirectX >> - DirectX 6 >> - DirectX 7 >> - DirectX 8 >> - DirectX 9 >> >> How about we just completely ignore these idiots? >> >> >> > > Also: > # Internet Explorer 5.0 and 5.5 > # Internet Explorer 6.0 I've heard of some success with 6.0 (without crappy winedoors/ies4linux stuff), so I didn't comment. > # iPod Support in iTunes 4.0 Hmm, that seems unlikely > # Mac OS X > # Mac OS X Audio Input Support Well spotted, Austin! Maybe they're talking about a VM, not Wine ... in which case, you'd have to get a copy of Windows, which defeats the purpose of being proud about their Windows app support.

Feb. 7, 2009

Re: imagicos

by Austin English

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Ben Klein <shacklein(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2009/2/7 EA Durbin <ead1234(a)hotmail.com>: >> I just saw this linux distribution on distrowatch. They claim to be able to >> run all microsoft products. Interesting. >> http://www.imagicos.com/ >> http://www.imagicos.com/microsoft.html > > No they don't. It says "almost every" on the home page and "most" on > the "Microsoft" page. > > Assuming they're talking about Wine, someone should tell them that > they're wrong anyway. "quite a lot of entirely win32 applications", > maybe. Almost certainly not "most". > > Ooh, just spotted some interesting items on their "tested applications" list. > - DirectX > - DirectX 6 > - DirectX 7 > - DirectX 8 > - DirectX 9 > > How about we just completely ignore these idiots? > > > Also: # Internet Explorer 5.0 and 5.5 # Internet Explorer 6.0 ... # iPod Support in iTunes 4.0 ... # Mac OS X # Mac OS X Audio Input Support -- -Austin

Feb. 7, 2009

Re: imagicos

by Nikolay Sivov

EA Durbin wrote: > I just saw this linux distribution on distrowatch. They claim to be > able to run all microsoft products. Interesting. > http://www.imagicos.com/ > http://www.imagicos.com/microsoft.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. Check it > out. > <http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Especially this http://imagicos.net/private_packages/depend.html BTW. CrossOver and Mac OS X are listed too. As Win Apps...

Feb. 7, 2009

RE: imagicos

by EA Durbin

That and I can't the source code anywhere on their site. > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:16:09 +1100 > Subject: Re: imagicos > From: shacklein(a)gmail.com > To: ead1234(a)hotmail.com > CC: wine-devel(a)winehq.org > > 2009/2/7 EA Durbin <ead1234(a)hotmail.com>: > > I just saw this linux distribution on distrowatch. They claim to be able to > > run all microsoft products. Interesting. > > http://www.imagicos.com/ > > http://www.imagicos.com/microsoft.html > > No they don't. It says "almost every" on the home page and "most" on > the "Microsoft" page. > > Assuming they're talking about Wine, someone should tell them that > they're wrong anyway. "quite a lot of entirely win32 applications", > maybe. Almost certainly not "most". > > Ooh, just spotted some interesting items on their "tested applications" list. > - DirectX > - DirectX 6 > - DirectX 7 > - DirectX 8 > - DirectX 9 > > How about we just completely ignore these idiots? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_022…

Feb. 7, 2009

Re: imagicos

by Ben Klein

2009/2/7 EA Durbin <ead1234(a)hotmail.com>: > I just saw this linux distribution on distrowatch. They claim to be able to > run all microsoft products. Interesting. > http://www.imagicos.com/ > http://www.imagicos.com/microsoft.html No they don't. It says "almost every" on the home page and "most" on the "Microsoft" page. Assuming they're talking about Wine, someone should tell them that they're wrong anyway. "quite a lot of entirely win32 applications", maybe. Almost certainly not "most". Ooh, just spotted some interesting items on their "tested applications" list. - DirectX - DirectX 6 - DirectX 7 - DirectX 8 - DirectX 9 How about we just completely ignore these idiots?

Feb. 7, 2009

imagicos

by EA Durbin

I just saw this linux distribution on distrowatch. They claim to be able to run all microsoft products. Interesting. http://www.imagicos.com/ http://www.imagicos.com/microsoft.html _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009

Feb. 7, 2009

RE: Stub DDE interface for Progman.exe

by Jeremiah Flerchinger

> Shell32 implements a DDE server that supports the progman interface > among other things. Explorer or any properly operating shell desktop > replacement will call the according shell32 export that initializes > that server. If the progman DDE interface is not available under > Windows you are not running any proper shell desktop process. Much > like in Windows 3.1 days where you could replace the progman.exe with > your own executable too but unless it implemented the progman DDE > interface too, no progman DDE was available. Yes you're right. Originally I was wanting to add a shell DDE server to progman.exe, so it could provide that interface as a shell replacement. I thought that explorer.exe should have this similarly. I was trying to think of how Wine's explorer.exe and progman.exe would/could update each other if both were run at the same time. I doubt there would be many instances of this being tried & would like to see a single and persistent shell DDE interface that works first. > Now if you want to add support for the progman DDE server to Wine > you will have to improve the stubs in shell32/dde.c. The ShellDDEInit() > function is already there and the initialization for the "progman", > "shell" and "folder" service too, but it is missing the implementation > for all the DDE operations on these services. Yes, this would be a fine place since the ShellDDEInit in Wine starts a DDE server that stubs these services. The DDE server has to be running though. The built-in explorer shell process does not start (or stop) it. If the server were actually started, then the stubs would actually run & we could work on fixing them. I'd be happy if we get this single DDE interface started on initialization so we can work on patching it and worry about how other replacement shells would interact later.

Feb. 7, 2009