February 2009 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

wined3d and winex11 hand in hand...

by Jérôme Gardou

Quite oddly enough, wined3d and winex11 don't communicate with each other at all (well, wined3d uses WGL in gdi32, and gdi32 is based on winex11), and this leads to problems which are tricky to resolve... For instance, when a d3d application wants to disable screensavers, there is no way to do this through the windows api, but xlib provides XSetScreenSaver which is axactly what we need there. Would it be a good way to do this, as in user32 and gdi32, to create a driver structure holding each function pointer we would need, and forward them to stub if unavailable?

Feb. 1, 2009

Re: performance issue when OffscreenRenderingMode = "pbuffer"

by Jérôme Gardou

The patch was sent, but not accepted. Does anyone have a clue about it? http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2009-January/068339.html

Feb. 1, 2009

Re: Simple but awesome demos of Wine?

by Marcus Meissner

On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 09:48:01AM -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: > I'm going to be giving a Wine presentation at > Cebit next month. You can see a draft of the > presentation at > http://kegel.com/wine/cebit2009/talk.html > (I will say lots more than is written there; the > slides are kept simple on purpose, with just > the key idea in the caption.) > > A large part of the presentation > will be demos of platium-rated apps. > Can people suggest compelling apps to demo? > Right now my list is kind of boring-sounding: > Framemaker 7 > Kid Pix > gp-Untis > Photoshop cs2 > Futuretax > Dreamweaver > > It'd be nice to also have some games, but I don't > play enough to know which ones to pick. I suspect > online games are out, since I can't count on an > internet connection. For games at least a NVIDIA or ATI card is required, so make sure the Laptop has one. My shiny Lenovo X61 just has Intel graphics which makes Wine demos difficult :( Btw, I will talk about Wine on FOSDEM 2009 next weekend in Brussel, in the openSUSE devroom. Ciao, Marcus

Feb. 1, 2009

Re: Simple but awesome demos of Wine?

by Vít Hrachový

Hiya, I've forgotten to add that .ahk script was designed to run with Wine Virtual Desktop Emulation enabled, not in full screen. Cheers Hark Vít Hrachový wrote: > Hi Dan > from top of my head - > > Heroes of Might and Magic III > Wizardry 8 > Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle-Earth 2 > > all have free demo downloads and don't require net. > > I already had Heroes 3 Demo autohotkey script prepared for my > presentation about Windows GUI automation inside Unixes. > > Feel free to use it if it fits your needs, it's attached in mail. > > Cheers > Hark

Feb. 1, 2009

Re: Simple but awesome demos of Wine?

by Reece Dunn

2009/2/1 Kai Blin <kai.blin(a)gmail.com>: > On Sunday 01 February 2009 20:11:33 Seth Shelnutt wrote: >> Dan, >> >> As far as games go, off the top of my head there is WoW, and Guildwars. >> Battlefield 2/2142 both seem good choice. Counter Strike: Source and COD4 >> are gold rated. Lastly Crysis is gold rated too. There is an issue with >> punkbuster but that only effects online play. > > You do need to take the German youth protection law into account, though. I'd > stay away from shooters, I guess. A lot of the Casual games work (e.g. from Oberon Media and PopCap Games) such as Westward III, Chuzzle, Bejeweled 2 and Peggle, but then again a lot don't :( - the AppDB has an entry for them. With WoW I spent my free game period downloading the ~8 GB worth of data :(! The other Blizzard titles (Diablo 2, StarCraft and its expansion, Warcraft 3 Reign of Chaos and The Frozen Throne expansion [1]) work. Other than that, Cepstral SwiftTalker (a text to speech program, with various voices) works flawlessly (if you disable pulseaudio; with pulseaudio it can lock up if you stop then play some text). But then they also have a (command line) Linux version. [1] I have had it crash sometimes between levels, but haven't had the time to track this down or try the Warcraft 3 save race condition game patch. - Reece

Feb. 1, 2009

Re: Simple but awesome demos of Wine?

by Vincent Povirk

I have to suggest Knytt: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=6849 It's a simple 2d platformer. While it's not impressive in the sense of "look at all the amazing stuff wine must be doing for this to work", it's a thing that you can just download and run (with any version of wine since 1.0). Unlike some other games, it should be immediately accessible to everyone. There's a nice tutorial you can run through in a minute or so. It was written using multimedia fusion, meaning a native port is impossible without a complete rewrite. Also, it looks and sounds really nice. Just, uh, don't press escape when it's in full screen mode. Vincent Povirk

Feb. 1, 2009

Re: Simple but awesome demos of Wine?

by Vít Hrachový

Hi Dan from top of my head - Heroes of Might and Magic III Wizardry 8 Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle-Earth 2 all have free demo downloads and don't require net. I already had Heroes 3 Demo autohotkey script prepared for my presentation about Windows GUI automation inside Unixes. Feel free to use it if it fits your needs, it's attached in mail. Cheers Hark SetWorkingDir, C:\Program Files\3DO\Heroes III Demo Run h3demo.exe Click 1,1 Click 1,1 ; Wait till intro movies start Sleep 10000 ; Skip two intro movies via click. no coords needed Click 2,2 Click 2,2 Sleep 1000 ; New Game - stable coords MouseMove 640,50 Sleep 1000 Click 640,50 Sleep 1000 ; Confirm New Game first message, stable coords MouseMove 400,410 Sleep 1000 Click 400,410 Sleep 1000 ; Ride with horse near the chest, movement coords start to vary MouseMove 400,320 Click 400,320 Sleep 1000 Click 400,320 Sleep 1000 ; Get chest, movement coords vary MouseMove 280,250 Click 280,250 Sleep 1000 Click 280,250 Sleep 1000 ; Select Money over Experience, stable coords MouseMove 330,350 Sleep 1000 Click 330,350 Sleep 1000 ; Confirm, stable coords MouseMove 390,470 Sleep 1000 Click 390,470 Sleep 1000 ; Return to castle, coords relative to current location MouseMove 200,200 Sleep 1000 Click 200,200 Sleep 1000 Click 200,200 Sleep 1000 ; Select building, stable coords MouseMove 150,250 Sleep 1000 Click 150,250 Sleep 1000 ; Build town hall, stable coords MouseMove 100,100 Sleep 1000 Click 100,100 Sleep 1000 ; Confirm Build town hall, stable coords MouseMove 250,510 Sleep 1000 Click 250,510 Sleep 1000 ; Exit building, stable coords. Not needed in case of confirm dialog like above. ;MouseMove 780,570 ;Sleep 1000 ;Click 780,570 ;Sleep 1000 ; Exit castle, stable coords MouseMove 780,560 Sleep 1000 Click 780,560 Sleep 1000 ; Game Options, stable coords MouseMove 720,320 Sleep 1000 Click, 720,320 Sleep 1000 ; Exit to desktop, stable coords MouseMove 450,480 Sleep 1000 Click 450,480 Sleep 1000 ; Confirm Quit, stable coords MouseMove 350,350 Sleep 1000 Click 350,350 Sleep 1000 ; Confirm exit advertisement, no coords needed Sleep 1000 Click 1,1 Exit ; Unused resources ; Load from Main menu ;MouseMove 640,150 ; Quit from Main menu MouseMove 640,450 Click 640,450 Sleep 1000

Feb. 1, 2009

Re: Simple but awesome demos of Wine?

by Evil Jay

It's too bad you can't count on an internet Connection. WoW and City of Heroes/Villains are two of the most impressive looking (and fast) games under Wine, IMHO. Heck, even just the login screen for WoW might be a nice show - with the dracolich constantly landing/taking off while it's snowing. I wouldn't recommend Counter-Strike: Source. It needs to be forced to DirectX8 mode to achieve a usable speed, and in that mode it looks pretty poor up next to what people are used seeing on the average Windows machine. Though boring to some, I think you made a good choice including DreamWeaver - as the native apps just haven't caught up, yet. -J Seth Shelnutt wrote: > Dan, > > As far as games go, off the top of my head there is WoW, and > Guildwars. Battlefield 2/2142 both seem good choice. Counter Strike: > Source and COD4 are gold rated. Lastly Crysis is gold rated too. There > is an issue with punkbuster but that only effects online play. > > 3Dmark06 seems to work to some degree, > http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=13809 > <http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=13809> . > > Also it might be interesting to show off, how Wine works with CUDA, > http://gpu2.twomurs.com/index.php?title=Main_Page . There are some > emails on the mailing list back when I first started working on the > wrapper. I think it shows just how advanced Wine is. Not only can it > run a windows program but with a wrapper it transfers the calls from > windows dll to linux .so to the GPU, with stellar performance. > > > -Seth Shelnutt > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com > <mailto:dank(a)kegel.com>> wrote: > > I'm going to be giving a Wine presentation at > Cebit next month. You can see a draft of the > presentation at > http://kegel.com/wine/cebit2009/talk.html > (I will say lots more than is written there; the > slides are kept simple on purpose, with just > the key idea in the caption.) > > A large part of the presentation > will be demos of platium-rated apps. > Can people suggest compelling apps to demo? > Right now my list is kind of boring-sounding: > Framemaker 7 > Kid Pix > gp-Untis > Photoshop cs2 > Futuretax > Dreamweaver > > It'd be nice to also have some games, but I don't > play enough to know which ones to pick. I suspect > online games are out, since I can't count on an > internet connection. > > I'm tempted to write an autohotkey script to demo each > app so I don't have to worry about fumbling mouse > clicks while on stage. The ability to script would be > a nice demo itself. > > This show is a big opportunity for us to > introduce Wine to a large audience, so > any help here would be appreciated. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >

Feb. 1, 2009

Re: Fwd: A basic implementation for increased security in wine proposal

by Stefan Dösinger

> I stand corrected, as it appears I was way too naive in my understanding of > software security, hence the example I provided. IMHO the whole discussion is moot. Any Windows app can easilly bypass *any* security measure in Wine by calling int 0x80, and there's nothing we can do against that other than running the .exe code in a real virtual machine(which would break the whole "Wine is not an emulator" thing). And as Marcus pointed out, as soon as it is running it can already do everything the Linux permission allow. It doesn't have to use broken API calls to do bad things. A point where we have to take a look at security concerns is when we get data from the application that is potentially from somewhere outside the app. E.g. Half Life 2 loads MOTDs from servers which are HTML pages and passes them to our HTML control. Or MS Paint opens a jpeg file and uses Win32 API functions to parse it. Protecting Wine against the application won't work. Protecting Wine(and the application) against the application's data is what we have to do.

Feb. 1, 2009

Re: Simple but awesome demos of Wine?

by Kai Blin

On Sunday 01 February 2009 20:11:33 Seth Shelnutt wrote: > Dan, > > As far as games go, off the top of my head there is WoW, and Guildwars. > Battlefield 2/2142 both seem good choice. Counter Strike: Source and COD4 > are gold rated. Lastly Crysis is gold rated too. There is an issue with > punkbuster but that only effects online play. You do need to take the German youth protection law into account, though. I'd stay away from shooters, I guess. Cheers, Kai -- Kai Blin WorldForge developer http://www.worldforge.org/ Wine developer http://wiki.winehq.org/KaiBlin Samba team member http://www.samba.org/samba/team/ -- Will code for cotton.

Feb. 1, 2009