May 2009 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: Announcing WineConf 2009

by Austin English

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Steven Edwards <winehacker(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> What is the status of the Wine Party Fund this year, to help with the >> cost of transportation/lodging? I remember quite a bit of it was used >> up last year... > > This also provides a good time for us to publicly seek donations. On a related note, I noticed when installing TortiseSVN on windows, that the installer has a donation button. Well, two actually, one with installing files on the progress screen, and one at the final 'finish' screen, asking for a donation. When you click it, it goes to http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/donate.html. So, two things: A) We really need a donation page. Currently, the donate button on http://www.winehq.org redirects you to paypal, without sending you to a WineHQ page first explaining what the donation is for, saying thanks, etc. It's a bit hard/tacky to send a donation request out if we don't have a page to send them to, other than paypal. B) We could add a button to winecfg for donating (under the 'Name'/'Company' fields in the 'About' tab). It's unobtrusive, non-invasive, and gives quite a bit of exposure (curious users check out all the tabs and would see it). The donate tab may be a bit controversial, and I'm not proposing putting it in without gathering some opinions first. But I do think it's a really neat idea. There are often times I want to donate to a project, but I'm lazy and don't want to search through the site to find it. A button making it easier for me to do so => $ in their pocket. -- -Austin

May 29, 2009

Re: Announcing WineConf 2009

by Roderick Colenbrander

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Steven Edwards <winehacker(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> What is the status of the Wine Party Fund this year, to help with the >> cost of transportation/lodging? I remember quite a bit of it was used >> up last year... > > This also provides a good time for us to publicly seek donations. > > -- > Steven Edwards > > "There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and > that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo > > > Yep and we might also want donations for some other things e.g. DIB engine and other things (it shouldn't bite with CW). Further remember as of Wineconf 2008 it is not Wine Party Fund but Wine Development Fund but it was discussed on saturday morning .... ;) Roderick

May 29, 2009

Re: Announcing WineConf 2009

by Steven Edwards

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What is the status of the Wine Party Fund this year, to help with the > cost of transportation/lodging? I remember quite a bit of it was used > up last year... This also provides a good time for us to publicly seek donations. -- Steven Edwards "There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo

May 29, 2009

Re: Announcing WineConf 2009

by Austin English

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Hans Leidekker <hans(a)codeweavers.com> wrote: > Dear Wine developers, > > You may recall that I volunteered to help host WineConf in the Netherlands > in 2007 when, after a vote, an offer by Dan Kegel to host at Google's offices > in Zurich won the bid. > > Last year WineConf went across the pond to Minnesota, so it seems natural > that this year's WineConf will be hosted in the country with the highest > number of Wine developers per capita ;-) > > At Twente University Campus to be precise, near the city of Enschede: > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=1047705954276368339… > > From November 6-8 (Friday to Sunday). > > I chose this place because of its good facilities and relatively low > costs; we want to make the conference accessible for as many developers > as possible. > > Directions, agenda, etc. will be made available on this page: > > http://wiki.winehq.org/WineConf > > Please e-mail me at wineconf(a)meelstraat.net if you intend to come, so we > can make a better estimation of the number of attendees. > > See you there! > > -Hans What is the status of the Wine Party Fund this year, to help with the cost of transportation/lodging? I remember quite a bit of it was used up last year... -- -Austin

May 29, 2009

Re: DIB engine

by Stephan Rose

>>As was said in the other thread, just designing it alone would take a >>few months work. AJ is really busy with other things, and a few months >>work is both a lot of money and a lot of wasted productivity. No one >>is stepping up to sponsor the work, so it's a bit hard for him to take >>that on. > >Who is asking AJ to do all of the work. Huw Davies and Max have worked out >what is needed to get this into Wine. All we need is guidance on what is >acceptable and how we should proceed. This seems to be a serious shortcoming >on AJs part. Without this, any further work would be futile and could end up >being very frustrating. I've seen this from Huw and it is starting to come >from Max. AJ needs to get some time together and write up what is and is not >acceptable as far as code style, fashion and what he expects out of the >development efforts for the DIB engine. Making a statement >after months of work is IHMO very unacceptable. > >Also, I don't see this as circular, but the 'snake' of getting AJ to accept >code into the codebase is. This is where I figured I'd wake up and chime in a bit. None of you all know me I suppose but I've been primarily just listening in on this list for the better part of two years now. :) My ears perked up when the two words DIB and spec were put together in the same sentence. One frustration I encountered when wanting to contribute to wine a little over two years ago was that nobody seemed to be able to say "Hey, this is what we are missing/need, here are the specs, go implement". Essentially, that's how I work and how I work well. Trying to fix random bugs in random applications in a codebase completely unfamiliar to me seemed to be rather futile so at that point in time I abandoned those efforts and just stuck to using wine. =P So that said, I've got a decent amount of experiences dealing with graphics, including full 24/32-bit color on embedded devices. Considering the environment, performance has always been a priority as well. Plus, I also really like working with graphics related code. So from where I'm standing right now, this seems to be right in my neighbourhood. So if anyone can drop a full spec into my lap which outlines everything I need to write and where (given I adhere to things as I should of course) I won't have any issues getting that accepted later on, I'd be more than willing to take on something like this. Thanks, Stephan

May 29, 2009

Re: Time to remove obsolete platforms HP, SGI, and DEC?

by Ken Thomases

On May 29, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Austin English wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Dmitry Timoshkov > <dmitry(a)codeweavers.com> wrote: >> "Austin English" <austinenglish(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> Why do we have versions on Mac OS X? How about we combine them all? >>> >>> It can make a big difference in the bug. The X.org version in OS X >>> (partially?) depends on what OS X version you have. Some bugs will >>> only show up in Tiger, because Leopard has them fixed on Apple's >>> end. >>> (Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, this is based off of what >>> I've >>> seen on wine-users). >> >> By that logic we neeed to have all versions of Ubuntu, Fedora, etc. >> listed as well. > > I'd say the analogy is closer to having Linux 2.4/2.6, but I get > your point. > > I'm fine with combining those. One big difference is that upgrading from Tiger to Leopard costs money, unlike upgrading Linux. So, it's not as simple to just tell a user to upgrade to fix their problem. (I don't interact with Bugzilla much, so I'm not weighing in on what suits the needs of bug wranglers. Just raising a point.) -Ken

May 29, 2009

Re: DIB engine

by Massimo Del Fedele

James Mckenzie ha scritto: > Luke: >> Heh, I wonder if someone should approach Autodesk and say, "Give us >> sponsorship and we'll get Autocad running on Linux" they surely have >> deep pockets :) >> > If Autodesk were interested in making AutoCad work with Linux, they would make a native version, not try to get it working with Wine. Sorry, but them's the facts. Well, not exactly, I'm afraid. M$ did all possible (and even all almost impossible) to prevent simple porting of windows apps to other OS. DotNet is a good example of useless stuff, directx is another example. IMHO any app written using one of both of them will need an huge effort to port and an even greater effort to maintain on both platforms. Writing Autocad using a portable toolkit isn't an option, as most windows users (I guess 90% of autocad users, even if wi'd have a native version...) *want* to have their app looking as a native one. The only feasible stuff they could do is an effort to build it with winelib. Or, of course, help wine to make Autocad working perfectly on it. But I guess for them it isn't worth the money. Max

May 29, 2009

Re: Time to remove obsolete platforms HP, SGI, and DEC?

by James Mckenzie

> >> Why do we have versions on Mac OS X? How about we combine them all? > >It can make a big difference in the bug. The X.org version in OS X >(partially?) depends on what OS X version you have. Some bugs will >only show up in Tiger, because Leopard has them fixed on Apple's end. >(Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, this is based off of what I've >seen on wine-users). > Very much correct. MacOSX 10.5.7 with XQuartz 2.3.3 or higher correctly utilize all OpenGL features present in Wine. MacOSX 10.4.x or MacOSX 10.5.6 or MacOSX 10.5.7 without XQuartz 2.3.3 applied will not. Since I am running MacOSX 10.5.7 with XQuartz 2.3.3.2 applied, I do not know the status of backporting the fixes to the 10.4 (Tiger) baseline or even if it is possible. As far as OS/2 goes, it is still a viable operating system, but I think, for Wine purposes, it should be dropped as an available OS for bugzilla and for the AppDB. James McKenzie

May 29, 2009

Re: Time to remove obsolete platforms HP, SGI, and DEC?

by Austin English

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)codeweavers.com> wrote: > "Austin English" <austinenglish(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Why do we have versions on Mac OS X? How about we combine them all? >> >> It can make a big difference in the bug. The X.org version in OS X >> (partially?) depends on what OS X version you have. Some bugs will >> only show up in Tiger, because Leopard has them fixed on Apple's end. >> (Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, this is based off of what I've >> seen on wine-users). > > By that logic we neeed to have all versions of Ubuntu, Fedora, etc. > listed as well. I'd say the analogy is closer to having Linux 2.4/2.6, but I get your point. I'm fine with combining those. -- -Austin

May 29, 2009

Re: Time to remove obsolete platforms HP, SGI, and DEC?

by Dmitry Timoshkov

"Austin English" <austinenglish(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Why do we have versions on Mac OS X? How about we combine them all? > > It can make a big difference in the bug. The X.org version in OS X > (partially?) depends on what OS X version you have. Some bugs will > only show up in Tiger, because Leopard has them fixed on Apple's end. > (Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, this is based off of what I've > seen on wine-users). By that logic we neeed to have all versions of Ubuntu, Fedora, etc. listed as well. -- Dmitry.

May 29, 2009