July 2011 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: oleaut32: use the locale settings for digit group sizes

by Marvin

Hi, While running your changed tests on Windows, I think I found new failures. Being a bot and all I'm not very good at pattern recognition, so I might be wrong, but could you please double-check? Full results can be found at http://testbot.winehq.org/JobDetails.pl?Key=12210 Your paranoid android. === WNT4WSSP6 (32 bit varformat) === varformat.c:427: Test failed: VT 3|0x0000 Format #,#: expected 0x00000000, '12,34,56,789', got 0x00000000, '123,456,789' === WVISTAADM (32 bit varformat) === varformat.c:427: Test failed: VT 3|0x0000 Format #,#: expected 0x00000000, '12,34,56,789', got 0x00000000, '123,456,789' === W2K8SE (32 bit varformat) === varformat.c:427: Test failed: VT 3|0x0000 Format #,#: expected 0x00000000, '12,34,56,789', got 0x00000000, '123,456,789' === W7PRO (32 bit varformat) === varformat.c:427: Test failed: VT 3|0x0000 Format #,#: expected 0x00000000, '12,34,56,789', got 0x00000000, '123,456,789'

July 5, 2011

Re: Glitch-free iTunes?

by James McKenzie

On 7/4/11 7:50 PM, Keith Curtis wrote: > None of the Linux kernel developers are paid by Linus nor can be fired > by him. Linus never forces people to respond to his mails or to work > on anything. What has happened is that the team has realized that > having goals and leadership has led to good results, and Linus is a > good leader, and so they follow along. If Linus says something needs > to be worked on, it happens. The rest of the people keep doing their > own work. I think you missed my point. There is a 'leader' for Linux and that person just happens to be Linus. Whether or not he wants that position is pointless. He has it. Linux is and will remain his 'baby'. There is NO such person, that I'm aware of for Wine. Thus if I happen to 'need' to have a few functions in Wine I have two options: 1. File a bug report, categorize it, define it and then hope that someone has the skills and desire to fix the problem I've identified. 2. File a bug report, categorize it, define it and then fix it myself. I have two bug reports that I have worked on and now I'm working on code to bring those functions into Wine, with assistance from other Wine developers to insure that my code is high enough quality and is implemented properly. You have the same options as does everyone else. And yes, if you look through Wine's bugzilla you will see very old bugs (that is why I mentioned the DIB Engine, it is bug 421 and is almost ten years old) to bugs filed yesterday. All need love and attention. Some bug reports were opened only to be closed when this did not happen. Also, remember what is important to you may not be so for the entire project. That is why I'm working on code. Those functions are important to me, but to the overall project no so. There is one other difference between the LKM project and Wine. The Linux Kernel is essential to the functioning of Linux. Wine is only essential to getting well-behaved Windows programs to run on Linux/UNIX. There are some programs that started the project, many years ago, that are no longer available or now have Linux/UNIX equivalents. James

July 5, 2011

Re: Glitch-free iTunes?

by Keith Curtis

None of the Linux kernel developers are paid by Linus nor can be fired by him. Linus never forces people to respond to his mails or to work on anything. What has happened is that the team has realized that having goals and leadership has led to good results, and Linus is a good leader, and so they follow along. If Linus says something needs to be worked on, it happens. The rest of the people keep doing their own work. I'm not suggesting to force people to work on iTunes. However, it shouldn't take too much prodding for people to want Linux to work with one of the most important hardware product lines. It is sad that Linux in 2011 cannot run iTunes. This is the fault of WINE and Apple. Maybe the work has been slow. I can't speak to how quickly you are moving, only the results. I have read through your code some years ago. The software that existed was high quality. You keep getting bigger and better. I understand you have a lot of work to do. That is why I suggest priorities or goals. They help manage large workloads. From the outside, you appear to be working on things randomly, and you can do better. Regards, -Keith http://keithcu.com/

July 5, 2011

Re: [PATCH 01/10] user32/tests: Added client-side raw input function tests (try 12)

by André Hentschel

Am 04.07.2011 16:29, schrieb Vincas Miliūnas: > Changelog: Hi, even if you have 10 patches, maybe first try to get the tests in. Divide and Conquer! That's at least a bit less mess on wine-patches for now, and is easier for you and AJ i guess. -- Best Regards, André Hentschel

July 4, 2011

Re: Glitch-free iTunes?

by max

On 07/04/2011 02:15 PM, André Hentschel wrote: > Am 04.07.2011 20:08, schrieb max: >> 1. Does it run on Windows? iTunes is an Apple product and it could be that it has >> been intentionally implemented so that it does not run on Microsoft's OS. > Why then providing a Windowsversion??? :) So you are saying it runs on MS Windows. That answers the question. Thanks.

July 4, 2011

Re: Glitch-free iTunes?

by André Hentschel

Am 04.07.2011 20:08, schrieb max: > 1. Does it run on Windows? iTunes is an Apple product and it could be that it has > been intentionally implemented so that it does not run on Microsoft's OS. Why then providing a Windowsversion??? :) -- Best Regards, André Hentschel

July 4, 2011

Re: Glitch-free iTunes?

by Henri Verbeet

On 4 July 2011 15:32, Juan Lang <juan.lang(a)gmail.com> wrote: > But really, what are we talking about? Talk is cheap. Code isn't. > Your contributions are welcome. In principle yes, but having worked for Microsoft complicates that a bit.

July 4, 2011

Re: Glitch-free iTunes?

by max

On 07/02/2011 03:46 PM, Keith Curtis wrote: > Hi; > > Here is a rant about iTunes: > http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/229398-2/day_3_dude_wheres_my… > > You guys are doing great, but I think it would be better if you were to work > more in priority order. There are 200M devices, last I checked. I don't > think iTunes has ever properly worked in WINE. It seems like Apple keep > revising it and so the current WINE never works with the current iTunes. > > Can you make a goal of supporting iTunes with no glitches? I know many of > you are volunteers, but it is globally efficient if the installation number > plays into the priority of the bugs. Just this one app could be huge for > Linux on the desktop. > > Warm regards, > > -Keith Everyone (with very few if any exceptions) who works on Wine does so because they want to. Priorities are set by each person for themselves. That is simply a fact of life when it comes to community developed software. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion of what is important but you need to persuade rather than trying to command compliance with your wishes. One of the most effective ways to assure progress on a particular piece of Wine is to put your own effort into improving that particular piece. In the case of iTunes, one of the early steps would be to examine the log Wine produces when you try to install it or run it. This is likely to show that some particular function is not implemented or is not implemented properly. Next, write a test that demonstrates what should happen. Make sure it works on recent native Windows versions. Submit the new test as a patch. Then fix Wine so that it passes that test and does not fail any existing tests due to your changes. Once the test patch has been accepted, check that you changes to Wine pass the new test. Finally, submit your change to Wine. At that point there will be one less thing that keeps iTunes from running on Wine. Other things you need to keep in mind: 1. Does it run on Windows? iTunes is an Apple product and it could be that it has been intentionally implemented so that it does not run on Microsoft's OS. 2. Are there legal issues that would keep it from being run under Wine? 3. Assure that your code meets the Wine style.

July 4, 2011

Re: [PATCH 10/10] server+user32: Added RIDEV_NOLEGACY raw input device flag implementation (try 12)

by Marvin

Hi, While running your changed tests on Windows, I think I found new failures. Being a bot and all I'm not very good at pattern recognition, so I might be wrong, but could you please double-check? Full results can be found at http://testbot.winehq.org/JobDetails.pl?Key=12189 Your paranoid android. === WVISTAADM (32 bit input) === Timeout === W2K8SE (32 bit input) === Timeout

July 4, 2011

Re: [PATCH 09/10] server+user32: Added GetRawInputData implementation (try 12)

by Marvin

Hi, While running your changed tests on Windows, I think I found new failures. Being a bot and all I'm not very good at pattern recognition, so I might be wrong, but could you please double-check? Full results can be found at http://testbot.winehq.org/JobDetails.pl?Key=12188 Your paranoid android. === WVISTAADM (32 bit input) === Timeout === W2K8SE (32 bit input) === Timeout

July 4, 2011