August 2012 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: Question about some Linux integration

by Oleg Yarigin

25.08.2012 14:42, GOUJON Alexandre пишет: > I can't help you about the other points but as every project, answers > you are looking for lies in the source code. > See http://source.winehq.org/ident?i=wine_server_call for instance. I searched through the source with Notepad++, but I found nothing, so I asked there. Thank you a lot, Alexandre! --- Oleg

Aug. 25, 2012

About WineHQ Wiki

by Oleg Yarigin

Hi to all! When I edited pages in the WineHQ Wiki, I notised, its markup lankuage isn`t so good as MediaWiki`s one. How do you think about moving the Wiki into MediaWiki engine? Besides, moving each language section of the Wiki into separated subdomain (like in Wikipedia) would be a good idea too. --- Oleg

Aug. 25, 2012

Re: Question about some Linux integration

by GOUJON Alexandre

On 08/25/2012 12:28 PM, Oleg Yarigin wrote: > <snip> > And an off-top question: where is wine_server_call realisation defined? I can't help you about the other points but as every project, answers you are looking for lies in the source code. See http://source.winehq.org/ident?i=wine_server_call for instance.

Aug. 25, 2012

Question about some Linux integration

by Oleg Yarigin

Hi! I have an idea to move some Wine parts into Linux subsystems. For instance, Wine apps windows and window content can be drawn with Desktop Manager via USER32.DLL opposite of using Wine Server. Similar thing can be with clipboard. I understand, it`s a big work, what is must to be started with an EXE loader. So I have a few questions before I can start: 1. Does Wine loader have any mechanism for loading .so files. 2. May I move all loader stuff from NTDLL to the loader. Is it rational? I asked, becouse there are a lot of stuff, that can be unloaded after program loading. And an off-top question: where is wine_server_call realisation defined? --- Oleg

Aug. 25, 2012

Re: [1/16] po: Update Russian translation

by Oleg Yarigin

Nikolay, Can you tell me, why these line of patches is applied very slow? I prepared a patch file, which contains improvements by our dialog, but I can`t apply it until my another patches are applied. --- Oleg

Aug. 25, 2012

Re: [1/16] po: Update Russian translation

by Nikolay Sivov

On 8/25/2012 09:43, Oleg Yarigin wrote: > 24.08.2012 12:20, Nikolay Sivov пишет: >> On 8/24/2012 10:13, Oleg Yarigin wrote: >>> >>> >>> "To install a new program from a floppy disk, CD-ROM drive, or your >>> hard " >>> "drive, click Install." >>> msgstr "" >>> -"Чтобы установить программу с CD-ROM, дискеты или жёсткого диска, >>> нажмите " >>> -"Установить." >>> +"Для установки программы с компакт- или жёсткого диска нажмите >>> «Установить»." >> You only need to fix quotation marks in original string, the variant you >> proposed doesn't say what English string is saying. > I translated so because, I hope, "floppy disc" term is obsolete > nowadays (nobody has it). > This is not up to translator to alter a meaning of original text just cause some words in it are not used frequently enough these days than they used to. > >>> #: appwiz.rc:62 >>> -msgid "" >>> -"The following software can be automatically removed. To remove a >>> program or " >>> -"to modify its installed components, select it from the list and >>> click Modify/" >>> -"Remove." >>> -msgstr "" >>> -"Перечисленные программы можно автоматически удалить. Чтобы удалить >>> программу " >>> -"или изменить состав установленных компонентов, выберите её в >>> списке и " >>> +msgid "The following software can be automatically removed. To remove >>> a " >>> +"program or to modify its installed components, select it from the >>> list and " >>> +"click Modify/Remove." >>> +msgstr "Перечисленные программы могут быть удалены. Для удаления " >>> +"или изменения состава установленных компонентов, выберите их в >>> списке и " >>> "нажмите кнопку Изменить/Удалить." >> Again, don't alter original meaning, no reason to remove 'automatically' >> here. > What does it mean: "можно автоматически удалить"? It doesn`t sound > correct becouse auto-removing (in the text) and user-aided one (in > mean of a phrase "можно удалить") are mutual exclusive. It means that there's an uninstaller of some sort that could be used to uninstall a program. Uninstall doesn't mean removing files, it could be a lot more. So user can manually undo what's done by installer (and he's not supposed to do that) or automatically undo these changes going through uninstallation procedure. >>> #: appwiz.rc:35 shell32.rc:141 shell32.rc:238 regedit.rc:122 >>> winefile.rc:104 >>> msgid "Name" >>> -msgstr "Имя" >>> +msgstr "Название" >> That's questionable. If you really want to change that it will need to >> depend on context I guess. > I think, "Имя" is used for, em, "animate objects"; against "Название" > is used for "inanimate objects". That's not true. It's more general than that, it's more like "identifier" actually. And nobody says "название файла", that sounds strange at least.

Aug. 25, 2012

Re: [1/16] po: Update Russian translation

by Oleg Yarigin

25.08.2012 11:50, Nikolay Sivov пишет: > On 8/25/2012 09:43, Oleg Yarigin wrote: >> 24.08.2012 12:20, Nikolay Sivov пишет: >>> On 8/24/2012 10:13, Oleg Yarigin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "To install a new program from a floppy disk, CD-ROM drive, or your >>>> hard " >>>> "drive, click Install." >>>> msgstr "" >>>> -"Чтобы установить программу с CD-ROM, дискеты или жёсткого диска, >>>> нажмите " >>>> -"Установить." >>>> +"Для установки программы с компакт- или жёсткого диска нажмите >>>> «Установить»." >>> You only need to fix quotation marks in original string, the variant you >>> proposed doesn't say what English string is saying. >> I translated so because, I hope, "floppy disc" term is obsolete >> nowadays (nobody has it). >> > This is not up to translator to alter a meaning of original text just > cause some words in it are not > used frequently enough these days than they used to. Well, in this case I`ll improve it to "... с дискеты, компакт- ...". >> What does it mean: "можно автоматически удалить"? It doesn`t sound >> correct becouse auto-removing (in the text) and user-aided one (in >> mean of a phrase "можно удалить") are mutual exclusive. > It means that there's an uninstaller of some sort that could be used to > uninstall a program. Uninstall doesn't mean removing files, it could be > a lot more. So user can manually undo what's done by installer (and he's > not supposed to do that) or automatically undo these changes going > through uninstallation procedure. In this case we need to change this phrase, becouse it messed everybody I asked. What is in Windows there (for reference)? >>>> #: appwiz.rc:35 shell32.rc:141 shell32.rc:238 regedit.rc:122 >>>> winefile.rc:104 >>>> msgid "Name" >>>> -msgstr "Имя" >>>> +msgstr "Название" >>> That's questionable. If you really want to change that it will need to >>> depend on context I guess. >> I think, "Имя" is used for, em, "animate objects"; against "Название" >> is used for "inanimate objects". > That's not true. It's more general than that, it's more like > "identifier" actually. And nobody says "название файла", that > sounds strange at least. Oh, I forgot about it. But there is an "Имя" column in Windows Explorer (in Windows 7 at least), so I don`t know what is correct.

Aug. 25, 2012

Re: [1/16] po: Update Russian translation

by Oleg Yarigin

24.08.2012 12:20, Nikolay Sivov пишет: > On 8/24/2012 10:13, Oleg Yarigin wrote: >> >> >> "To install a new program from a floppy disk, CD-ROM drive, or your >> hard " >> "drive, click Install." >> msgstr "" >> -"Чтобы установить программу с CD-ROM, дискеты или жёсткого диска, >> нажмите " >> -"Установить." >> +"Для установки программы с компакт- или жёсткого диска нажмите >> «Установить»." > You only need to fix quotation marks in original string, the variant you > proposed doesn't say what English string is saying. I translated so because, I hope, "floppy disc" term is obsolete nowadays (nobody has it). >> #: appwiz.rc:62 >> -msgid "" >> -"The following software can be automatically removed. To remove a >> program or " >> -"to modify its installed components, select it from the list and >> click Modify/" >> -"Remove." >> -msgstr "" >> -"Перечисленные программы можно автоматически удалить. Чтобы удалить >> программу " >> -"или изменить состав установленных компонентов, выберите её в списке и " >> +msgid "The following software can be automatically removed. To remove >> a " >> +"program or to modify its installed components, select it from the >> list and " >> +"click Modify/Remove." >> +msgstr "Перечисленные программы могут быть удалены. Для удаления " >> +"или изменения состава установленных компонентов, выберите их в >> списке и " >> "нажмите кнопку Изменить/Удалить." > Again, don't alter original meaning, no reason to remove 'automatically' > here. What does it mean: "можно автоматически удалить"? It doesn`t sound correct becouse auto-removing (in the text) and user-aided one (in mean of a phrase "можно удалить") are mutual exclusive. >> #: appwiz.rc:76 >> msgid "The following information can be used to get technical >> support for %s:" >> -msgstr "" >> -"Указанная информация может быть использована для получения >> технической " >> +msgstr "Указанная информация может быть использована для получения >> технической " >> "поддержки приложения %s:" > Nothing changed here. I thout the first empty line is obsolete, exclude console "table-layout" output. >> #: appwiz.rc:35 shell32.rc:141 shell32.rc:238 regedit.rc:122 >> winefile.rc:104 >> msgid "Name" >> -msgstr "Имя" >> +msgstr "Название" > That's questionable. If you really want to change that it will need to > depend on context I guess. I think, "Имя" is used for, em, "animate objects"; against "Название" is used for "inanimate objects". >> #: avifil32.rc:33 >> msgid "Wine AVI-default-filehandler" >> -msgstr "Обработчик по умолчанию avi-файлов в Wine" >> +msgstr "Обработчик avi-файлов по умолчанию в Wine" > This alters a meaning a bit, now what you did means that there're some > default avi-files in Wine. > I wrote so becouse "Обработчик avi-файлов по умолчанию" in my opinion is more correct when "Обработчик по умолчанию avi-файлов", because this style is used in Windows. But I don`t know, where "в Wine" need to be, really. Thank you a lot for your critique. If we willn`t go to one opinion, I`m ready to undo these edits. --- Oleg.

Aug. 25, 2012

Re: [1/16] po: Update Russian translation

by Oleg Yarigin

24.08.2012 11:19, Dmitry Timoshkov пишет: > These new translations look at least questionable to say the least. > Pardon, what does it mean? Do you mean, my patches have no any mistake opposite of previous tries? --- Oleg.

Aug. 24, 2012

Re: advapi32/tests: Skip a couple of registry tests on NT4 to avoid crashing it.

by Alexandre Julliard

Francois Gouget <fgouget(a)free.fr> writes: > I know it's bad form to test for the Windows version but I'm not sure > what other check would be relevant here. I think we can safely ignore such old versions at this point. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.org

Aug. 24, 2012