November 2023 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: GCC 4.3 support and language features

by Gabriel Ivăncescu

On 12/11/2023 23:03, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > On Sun, 12 Nov 2023, Fabian Maurer wrote: >> For those not in the loop: The question came up what GCC version is the >> oldest supported one, and which language features can't be used in Wine. > > I recommend we do not cater to versions of GCC that have been end of life > for an extended period of time. > >> Although ongoing gcc 4.3 support is probably a bit of work, since most people >> don't test against gcc 4.3 compatibility so there's some "regressions" from >> time to time. > > GCC 4.3 went end of life mid 2011. > >> Or just cap it at 4.8 which currently works. > > GCC 4.8 went end of life mid 2015. > > The oldest GCC release series I would remotely consider supporting is GCC > 8 which wend end of life mid 2021, though it's really not unreasonable to > focus on GCC 11 and later. > > Gerald > > Sorry, what? Some distros have 10 year long-term support. Not everything is rolling release, nor should it be, not even close. I mean, compiling or backporting compilers isn't that big of a deal but the main problem with new compilers on old platforms is that you might need new core libraries (libc, libstdc++, etc) because of how GCC works. Having multiple libc side-by-side is difficult, and updating such a core component in a stable distro is way too much to ask.

Nov. 13, 2023

Re: GCC 4.3 support and language features

by Gerald Pfeifer

On Sun, 12 Nov 2023, Fabian Maurer wrote: > For those not in the loop: The question came up what GCC version is the > oldest supported one, and which language features can't be used in Wine. I recommend we do not cater to versions of GCC that have been end of life for an extended period of time. > Although ongoing gcc 4.3 support is probably a bit of work, since most people > don't test against gcc 4.3 compatibility so there's some "regressions" from > time to time. GCC 4.3 went end of life mid 2011. > Or just cap it at 4.8 which currently works. GCC 4.8 went end of life mid 2015. The oldest GCC release series I would remotely consider supporting is GCC 8 which wend end of life mid 2021, though it's really not unreasonable to focus on GCC 11 and later. Gerald

Nov. 12, 2023

Re: GCC 4.3 support and language features

by Michael Stefaniuc

Hello, On 11/12/23 03:34, Fabian Maurer wrote: > I wanted to follow up on the discussion on https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/ > wine/-/merge_requests/3059 > > For those not in the loop: The question came up what GCC version is the oldest > supported one, and which language features can't be used in Wine. > > Is there already a wiki entry on this? https://wiki.winehq.org/Gcc 4.4 and older has a non working ms_hook_prologue Enterprise Linux distributions were considered kinda the drivers for supporting old compilers: SLES 12 and RHEL 7 already come with gcc-4.8; no clue what the latest supported stable Ubuntu version is but assuming it is newer. > Associated bug report: > https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54601 (Compilation fails with gcc > 4.3.4 (error: unknown field ‘Type’ specified in initializer) > > I have a bunch of gcc 4.3 patches, and if it's supported, I think it would be > useful getting those in before the next stable. > Although ongoing gcc 4.3 support is probably a bit of work, since most people > don't test against gcc 4.3 compatibility so there's some "regressions" from > time to time. > An option would be to just patch it when someone complains, which would be the > most reasonable to me. Or just cap it at 4.8 which currently works. In the > end, some compiler will be too old, so where is the line? My vote is to bump up the supported version to 4.8. > In a similar vein, what about > https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20474 (Wine can't be built with GCC in > C99 mode) > Is this a supported setup? IMHO itwould be too much effort work to get this > working, but I don't make the decisions. Well -std=gnu99 and -std=gnu11 already work according to that bug report. It is just the pure C standard that isn't working. We had this topic afair repeatedly on wine-devel and WineConf. Consensus was that Wine has to support real life compilers and not arbitrary C pure standard versions. bye michael

Nov. 12, 2023

GCC 4.3 support and language features

by Fabian Maurer

Hello wine-devel, I wanted to follow up on the discussion on https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/ wine/-/merge_requests/3059 For those not in the loop: The question came up what GCC version is the oldest supported one, and which language features can't be used in Wine. Is there already a wiki entry on this? Associated bug report: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54601 (Compilation fails with gcc 4.3.4 (error: unknown field ‘Type’ specified in initializer) I have a bunch of gcc 4.3 patches, and if it's supported, I think it would be useful getting those in before the next stable. Although ongoing gcc 4.3 support is probably a bit of work, since most people don't test against gcc 4.3 compatibility so there's some "regressions" from time to time. An option would be to just patch it when someone complains, which would be the most reasonable to me. Or just cap it at 4.8 which currently works. In the end, some compiler will be too old, so where is the line? In a similar vein, what about https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20474 (Wine can't be built with GCC in C99 mode) Is this a supported setup? IMHO itwould be too much effort work to get this working, but I don't make the decisions. Regards, Fabian Maurer

Nov. 12, 2023

Wine staging 8.20 release

by Alistair Leslie-Hughes

Binary packages for various distributions will be available from: https://www.winehq.org/download Summary since last release * Rebased to current wine 8.20 (493 patches are applied to wine vanilla) Upstreamed (Either directly from staging or fixed with a similar patch). * winemenubuilder: Create .desktop files for programs that open URIs. * winecfg: Mention protocol associations. Added: * None Updated: * vkd3d-latest to latest. Where can you help * Run Steam/Battle.net/GOG/UPlay/Epic * Test your favorite game. * Test your favorite applications. * Improve staging patches and get them accepted upstream. * Suggest patches to be included in staging. As always, if you find a bug, please report it via https://bugs.winehq.org Best Regards Alistair.

Nov. 11, 2023

Upcoming vkd3d 1.10 release

by Henri Verbeet

Hi all, The planned release for vkd3d 1.10 is about 4 weeks away. As usual, that means the development branch will become increasingly frozen as we're nearing release. If you're an upstream vkd3d developer, please do the following: - Keep an eye on Bugzilla for any reported regressions. - Review any API changes since the previous release. - Verify all the vkd3d tests pass on your hardware, and please send fixes if they don't. - Review and improve the documentation. - Apply your best judgment about which patches are appropriate for the current stage of the release process. If you're a downstream user of vkd3d, please test your applications for regressions, and file bug reports if you find any. If you're the maintainer of a Wine module that (indirectly) depends on vkd3d, like e.g. d2d1, d3dx9, d3dcompiler, or any of the core Direct3D modules, that includes making sure the unit tests still pass with the new version. The planned release date for the release following vkd3d 1.10 is currently sometime in March. Regards, Henri

Nov. 8, 2023

Code freeze for Wine 9.0

by Alexandre Julliard

Folks, With the end of the year approaching, it's time to start preparing for the 9.0 stable release. We'll follow the same schedule as every year, with code freeze in early December, and a final release sometime in January. This year, the code freeze period will start on December 8th. So if you have things that you'd like to see included in 9.0, make sure to submit them soon, so that there's enough time for review before code freeze starts. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.org

Nov. 7, 2023